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post #31 of 114 (permalink) Old 09-03-2014, 01:41 PM Thread Starter
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Nothing to see here, just making notes. Move along.

Fix List:
Fuel sending unit
headlight switch
pedal pads
driver's seat right side gangster lean
vacuum leak under carb? heated carb spacer possibly?

Wish list:
TCP suspension - stage one. Dropped UCA, Springs, non-adjust shocks. Front and rear sway bars. Rear mid-eye springs, non-adjust shocks.
Subframe connector/export brace setup.
8.8 swap - not fond of explorer offset.
302/351w swap - roller blocks better for mild DD/cruiser? (can of worms)
T-5
Mild Baer brakes? Upgrade to mustang steve kit and use late model brakes?
Classic Auto Air (wife wish list)
Dakota digital gauges - vhx
TMI - upgrade foam/upholstery, retain factory frames.
Mid-length headers (jba?) x-pipe, pypes? borla? magnaflow? flowmaster....please, no more drone.

Eventually:
Pull it apart, blast it to metal, fix any ugly spots, evaluate quarter, fix door corners, prime (spi?), dynamat the bejeebus out of it, paint (keep the yellow).....how to retain bullet holes....hmm

Find home for/sell off functional L6/3-spd/7.25 rear and all stock pieces.

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Nothing to see here, just making notes. Move along.

...paint (keep the yellow).....how to retain bullet holes....hmm
Get a .357 and shoot it again? :-)
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Get a .357 and shoot it again? :-)
And put the car through that ordeal twice? That's brutal!

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IMO, a six cylinder 68 is the best value out there. Very little necessary to convert to V8.

My '67 convertible is undergoing the last step of mods, and I followed the order prescribed exactly.

I went CSRP for disc brake conversion and left the rears as drums. And even all manual my Daisy will stop breathtakingly fast.

I went Unisteer R&P with a UCA drop and a 1-1/8" sway bar with heavy duty springs and Biltstein shocks. If I were to do it again, I'd go with a new standard or quick steering unit.

Now, I am putting in a '95 roller 5.0 in it. I'm building it myself, but honestly? If mine were a coupe and not a convertible, I'd put a 347 stroker in it, full roller. In fact, once I recharge my savings account, I see a '68 coupe in my future....
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I know what you mean 120. I had thought about leaving the 6 and building it up but it's not what I wanted. And I couldn't pass up this car for the price and how solid it was. So I'm sure some purist out there will shudder to think that another 6 cylinder will get swapped in favor of a modern v8. But I'm ok with that

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The 67-68 is also, imo, the best looking Mustang out there. Here's some gratuitous Daisy Porn for your edification:

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Nice! My wife approves as well!
Mine may not be as clean, but give me time.

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I did a double take when I saw your first pic.This is how I first saw my 67.It must be a selling Mustangs in car parks thing...

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I did a double take when I saw your first pic.This is how I first saw my 67.It must be a selling Mustangs in car parks thing...
Oh wow! I had to do a double take when I saw your pic! Great choice in color!

Meanwhile, my wife walks behind me and says..."is that your car?'

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I just saw your fix it list. As for the sending unit; don't screw around. Spend the $130 and replace the tank. My first, biggest mistake with my convertible was screwing with the sending unit. The sending unit was bad because the tank was full of crud, and pulling the tank and putting in new was cheap and easy.


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Very nice, was this a craigslist find? I think I saw this when I was looking for my 67. Not sure what bits you need but I got some interior parts for a 67 laying around.
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I am finishing up my son's 68 resto. We were in the same boat as you. We drug it out of a field. It was semi-solid, and was a 6 cyl, 3 speed. We started with getting it running, then brakes, gas tank etc. Once running ok- tore it apart for paint. Then all new stock V8 front suspension, 1' sway, granada discs, 5 lug 8 inch rear, new leafs and shackles, home alignment, and it was driving again. Now it handles great, stops great, but was lacking in the "get up & go dept." I wanted to keep the 6 in there due to it being for my son. (he has been in drivers ed for 3 nites so far). So we added a 5 speed from an 87 mustang w/ 4 cylinder. The 5 speed conversion made the car "wake up". It is not a speed demon, but it is no longer the slouch it was. It is really fun to drive, feels like a more modern car, with the steering and handling. It has not problem cruising 65-75 mph on the highway. We put a pre-made pipe over the axle with a cherry bomb. Now it sounds like a honda with a fart can. I didn't like it at first, but now it makes me laugh every time we take off from a light. It's a blast to drive. Still finishing up the A/C now. We have to get the dash pad screwed down, put on door panels, and arm rests, and it will be done for now.

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That's a spiffy pony you've got there! The Rat Rod guys will really like the bullet holes.

I've been working on my '70 Mach 1 for over three years now. (Sheesh!) I went round and round with what to mod and how to build it. Based on what I went through, here are my polite suggestions:

- Kelsey Hayes four-piston calipers up front. I recommend Chockostang for the kit. Since your wife will be driving it, you might consider the power disc brakes. These are very good brakes and are less expensive than the flashy Wilwood stuff and similar kits. You don't need sexy brakes. You just need good brakes. (Since your car is an I-6, I think you'll need new spindles for any disc brake kit, but I'm not sure.)

- If you're on a budget, don't bother with rear discs. They look cool and they're easier to work on than drum brakes. But unless you're doing some serious track events, you likely won't get much from rear discs. Drum brakes aren't sexy, but they actually work very well when new and properly adjusted.

- Just buy a 9" differential for a Mustang with a Traction Lok or a Truetrac and bolt it in. You can order them online, ready to go. Since you'll need a new diff with the V8 swap, I wouldn't bother with Explorer rear differentials or some other swap. Install the 9" and call it done. This isn't about being sexy. The 9" was available from the factory and it's simply bullet proof. It's won't cost much more than a lesser diff and you can upgrade your engine repeatedly without worrying about breaking the rear end. If you're installing an overdrive trans, you can go with any rear gear from a 3.55 to a 4.30 and be fine. (I installed a 3.70.) You won't need a Nodular Iron 9" diff.

- I went with the 4.5 Scott Drake, mid-eye leaf springs. Haven't driven the car yet, but those springs came highly recommended. Most people I talked to are happy with the 4.5 leafs.

- Up front, do the Shelby/Arning drop, roller spring perches, export brace and Monte Carlo bar. This is actually a very good setup for street and occasional track use. You'd have to spend a LOT more money to get something that works better. Yeah, all the cars on TV have fancy rack and pinion setups with coil overs; sexy, but you won't need it.

- Likely, your steering box is worn out. You can send it to Dan at Chockostang and exchange it for a rebuilt unit. You can also opt for a quick-ratio steering box.

- There's nothing wrong with the Ford power steering of that era. Yeah, you can install an aftermarket power steering setup. That will cost you more and involve more work. If you buy new, factory style parts and install them correctly, you shouldn't have any leaks. Consider most people who complain about leaking power steering are running components which are over 40 years old with over 150,000 miles on them. (Some people are fab'ing their own electric power steering. This might be an option for you. I don't know much about it.)

- Good shocks help a lot. I'm going with the Bilsteins from Shaun at Street or Track. They are calibrated for a Mustang. Be careful. There's a lot of hype in the performance shock absorber market. Popular name brands may not equal good performance.

- Rubber suspension bushings work fine. If you really want urethane bushings, use the Polygraphite bushings. They don't squeak. You can get them from PST or Scott Drake.

- For your V8, think hard and plan carefully. It's tempting to buy a high-end stroker crate engine. There are many good crate engines out there, but the costs add up fast. You can easily spend over $10,000 on an engine that sits on a stand because you can't afford to finish the car. There's nothing wrong with a 302 equipped with a mild street cam, headers and dual exhaust topped with an Autolite 4100. You can have a LOT of fun with this simple power plant. If you want more power, consider a similarly equipped 351W. With aftermarket heads, it can be a real screamer. But hey, if a 408 stoker is really within your budget, go for it. There's nothing like a torque monster!

It's easy to dream BIG with a Mustang build. Consider the bigger you dream, the more exponentially your cost and build time will increase. It's no fun looking at a partially built car on hold due to fabrication problems and a drained budget. (You'll find such projects for sale on Craigslist.) Much better to have a slightly modified car that's on the road!

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Let me know when you are close to getting the v8. I used a local engine builder and only ran $5500 for the engine sans accessories. Not installed yet should get it back in a couple weeks. It is a stoked 302 with custom grind cam and Brodie lh17 heads, air gap intake, forged pistons, cast crank. Should be over 400hp at the crank (saw a test motor in a magazine that produced 460hp with the same setup with the mutha thumpr cam) We can meet up and you can check it out and listen to the exhaust as well so you can see if you like it. I dropped the flowmasters that came with it as they droned and I hated the sound. I now run hooker max flows with 2.5" piping and Doug's tri-y headerswith an h pipe

+1 with the 9" check out craigslist I have seen a couple 9's that fit the 68 for rather good price locally.

Your top 3 wish list items are roughly the same as mine. Happy to help trn wrenches if you need a set of hands
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I just saw your fix it list. As for the sending unit; don't screw around. Spend the $130 and replace the tank. My first, biggest mistake with my convertible was screwing with the sending unit. The sending unit was bad because the tank was full of crud, and pulling the tank and putting in new was cheap and easy.
I appreciate the warning 120. I've been in the tank already and it's in great shape. I wanted to be sure it wasn't crap before I replaced the sending unit. It seems that this car didn't really sit much so it's been maintained well. I do plan on eventually putting in a larger tank so the wife and I have a larger wandering range.

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Very nice, was this a craigslist find? I think I saw this when I was looking for my 67. Not sure what bits you need but I got some interior parts for a 67 laying around.
Yup. Sure was. End of July I saw it go up and come down and I figured it was gone already. Then, saw it again after spending the day looking at others and drove right over to see it. 30 minutes later I was driving home in it.

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I am finishing up my son's 68 resto. We were in the same boat as you.
Gotta love a father/son project. And it sounds like it's been a lot of fun. I see that lots of smart, budget-minded people are going the same route. Get it running and upgrade the stop/handle department parts first. And I have to admit, I'd get a chuckle out of the fart can too...for a while.

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That's a spiffy pony you've got there! The Rat Rod guys will really like the bullet holes.

It's easy to dream BIG with a Mustang build. Consider the bigger you dream, the more exponentially your cost and build time will increase. It's no fun looking at a partially built car on hold due to fabrication problems and a drained budget. (You'll find such projects for sale on Craigslist.) Much better to have a slightly modified car that's on the road!
Thanks for the suggestions Klutch. I was one of the poor sods that had to let go of a poorly planned project 20 years ago. I have lots and lots of notes and a much better grasp on things this time though. I'll be adding a lot of what you've mentioned to my lists and several things have already made it to my notebooks.
And I'd really like to keep the holes....if it can be tastefully done.

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Let me know when you are close to getting the v8. I used a local engine builder....

Your top 3 wish list items are roughly the same as mine. Happy to help trn wrenches if you need a set of hands
Thanks fuelxc. One of the tough parts about being new to an area is knowing who to trust and where to go. I lived in one area for 30+ years and knew all of the ins and outs. I am having to start fresh here and having some local input is always welcome.
I appreciate the wrenching offer too. I may have to hit you up once I save up some spending money. I just ordered the parts from my 'fix it' list and once that minor stuff is done comes the long wait for new and shiny parts. But I promise to avoid the disgustingly hot months when it comes to garage days!

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