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Old 02-08-2009, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1968 Fan Clutch Rebuilding; Seeking Recommendation

Looking for someone to rebuild my original fan clutch (J-Code 302). Does anyone know someone offering this service? Recommended source you have a good / great experience would be better. Thank you in advance for the advice / input. Rick
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What equipment does your "J" code engine 68 have? I have one with AC and no fan clutch that I suspect is untouched. Can you list the engineering numbers stamped on your fan?
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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AFAIK there are only 2 people that do it. Fred Oliva (google under Vintage auto research) and another you can contact me directly if you are interested. The first will take 1-2 years, not return your phone calls or emails but when he gets around to it and you've given up hope that you'll ever see it again, it will show up and the work is nice. The second takes about 1-2 months and the work is fine but runs about $350 (last I knew Fred was around $175-200)
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What equipment does your "J" code engine 68 have? I have one with AC and no fan clutch that I suspect is untouched. Can you list the engineering numbers stamped on your fan?
Extra cooling package should give you the fan clutch
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Going by your signature name you might want to do it yourself.......

http://www2.zhome.com:81/ZCMnL/tech/.../FanClutch.htm

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Old 02-08-2009, 09:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I am interested in the engineering numbers on both the fan and clutch because I have never seen one on a "J" code Mustang. Just checked the MPC (1975) and it only showed the clutch fan on big block cars. I have seen the clutch fan used on 68 Cougars equipped with a "J" code, and also on the 68 GT 350 Mustangs. Both of these are listed in the MPC, but no mention of an ordinary "J" code Mustang with or without AC. With the AC on and in traffic and at high ambient temps my "J" code heat gauge begins to climb. Only turning off the AC or getting on the open road will cool it down. Never boiled over but appears too hot to ignore. If you have the numbers stamped on the blade and the clutch I would hunt for like parts and use them to solve the problem. I have no idea why this configuration is not listed for an ordinary "J" code Mustang. Any comments are appreciated along with any advice on rebuilding the clutch or images of the clutch used on the 302. The link to adding oil is interesting - are the Mustang/Cougar built the same way?
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:14 PM   #7 (permalink)
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John - we had this issue when I was looking into if a 69 351 with AC used a clutch fan or not.

Bottom line to determine if they were used or not was buildsheets as the MPC have plenty of mis-information and the buildsheets are what the workers used to build the car - can't get closer to the source than that


C code without AC - C6AE-E
C code with AC - C8SE-B
J code without AC - C6AE-E, (Shelby C8OE-B)
J code with AC - C8SE-B, (Shelby C60E-G)

Since I recognize the C8SE-B as the same fan as used on the early 69 Boss 302's and the 69 GT350's I can confirm that this was not a clutch type fan

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John - we had this issue when I was looking into if a 69 351 with AC used a clutch fan or not.

Bottom line to determine if they were used or not was buildsheets as the MPC have plenty of mis-information and the buildsheets are what the workers used to build the car - can't get closer to the source than that


C code without AC - C6AE-E
C code with AC - C8SE-B
J code without AC - C6AE-E, (Shelby C8OE-B)
J code with AC - C8SE-B, (Shelby C6AE-G)

Since I recognize the C8SE-B as the same fan as used on the early 69 Boss 302's and the 69 GT350's I can confirm that this was not a clutch type fan

Hope this helps
Jeff, Are those 69 apps?
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John - we had this issue when I was looking into if a 69 351 with AC used a clutch fan or not.

Bottom line to determine if they were used or not was buildsheets as the MPC have plenty of mis-information and the buildsheets are what the workers used to build the car - can't get closer to the source than that


C code without AC - C6AE-E
C code with AC - C8SE-B
J code without AC - C6AE-E, (Shelby C8OE-B)
J code with AC - C8SE-B, (Shelby C6AE-G)

Since I recognize the C8SE-B as the same fan as used on the early 69 Boss 302's and the 69 GT350's I can confirm that this was not a clutch type fan

Hope this helps
Jeff are those for 69? On a 68 I would expect to see the C8OE B on Mustang apps and C7ZX A on GT 350s. The Tbird C8SE clutch is a nice affordable replacement that will fit fine in place of those other "high dollar" pieces.
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Jeff are those for 69? On a 68 I would expect to see the C8OE B on Mustang apps and C7ZX A on GT 350s. ............
Nope from 68 buildsheets. At least this is the way they left Ford.

Here is the lower left part of the buildsheet of 8T02J206081 (non AC - first one) and 8T02J134497 (with AC - bottom one) as examples






IF we need the Mustang ones also - I'll have to find time to scan them - they are still in binders
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Old 02-09-2009, 08:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Nope from 68 buildsheets. At least this is the way they left Ford.
OK. Those show the fan blade, not clutches but it shows them to be clutch type blades (which I think is your point)



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We need to start a new thread for this subject. Sorry to have hijacked Engineers post about rebuilding a fan clutch. To be continued here: http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/sh...p?tid/1505064/
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Old 02-09-2009, 07:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sorry if I have caused any confusion .... I will confess that my J-Code is a Shelby (#330).
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Rick, thanks for clearing this up. Can you help out with the engineering number on the fan and the clutch on your shelby? Seems this would work on an ordinary "J" code with AC Mustang.
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Rick, thanks for clearing this up. Can you help out with the engineering number on the fan and the clutch on your shelby? Seems this would work on an ordinary "J" code with AC Mustang.
Should work ..... but it looks that it would not be correct.
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