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1965 - conflicting engine paint info

I've got a late-65 car with a six cylinder. Which scheme should I paint to? I've got conflicting information.

The table is from Mustang Monthly, the texted page was posted here a while back by a forum member in a thread I've long since lost.

I've painted the engine blue but it's no problem to repaint as I've still got it stripped and on the stand. Personally I like red/black better but I'm trying to go back to stock as closely as possible (but not concours)

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-20-2010, 08:16 PM
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red/black. don't believe everything you see in magazines. the blue pic is trimmed out like a '66.

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Just to clarify, the first thumbnail is from a forum member, the second from MM.

The pics are both from MM, the red/black a 65, the blue a 66.

So if I understand you correctly, there were no blue sixes in 1965?
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no blue blocks in 65.

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post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 10-21-2010, 04:35 PM
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Definately black engine with red valve cover and air cleaner on a 65 200.

It's amazing the mistakes you see in magazines written by "experts".

Here's another jewel from MM:


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Be careful too about putting the decal on the oil breather/fill cap. My original 200 in a January 1965 Dearborn car had no decal on the cap like the one shown in the photo. Lot's of folks seem to be adding all kinds of "original" decals when maybe they really shouldn't.

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Nobody spotted the detailing gaffe on the 289?

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I see several, depending on what type of 289 it is supposed to be. No cluch on fan, hipo manifolds dont jibe with the vac advance. If it's a K engine, there should be no shield on the side of the carb or the auto choke or A/C system. Looks like an accessoried-up A code as it stands.

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Nobody spotted the detailing gaffe on the 289?
The Cobra wrinkle-painted valve covers on an otherwise Hi-Po cloned motor?

Edit: How about the plug wire routing?

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I see several, depending on what type of 289 it is supposed to be. No cluch on fan, hipo manifolds dont jibe with the vac advance. If it's a K engine, there should be no shield on the side of the carb or the auto choke or A/C system. Looks like an accessoried-up A code as it stands.
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The Cobra wrinkle-painted valve covers on an otherwise Hi-Po cloned motor?

Edit: How about the plug wire routing?
Actually, Ford used that fan with and without a clutch.
HP manifolds were a Ford OTC upgrade into the 1980's.
As were the painted Cobra valve covers, which are still available.
The C5ZZ-W air cleaner was also a popular upgrade.

Basically, AJD is right, it's an "accessoried-up A code" engine. In a magazine article.


With the fan on backwards.

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Oh, that's good! Nice attention to detail on their part. Good example there, 22.

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I had a little trouble finding the correct colors, but I'm going with red & black.

I'm still wondering about those late-65 engines as I ran across a concours Falcon site and they were reporting some blue sixes at the end of the '65 run.

As I don't have a concours build and I like the red/black better it was an easy decision for me. For a daily driver a black block seems so much more practical than a lighter color. I guess I'll find out!
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Maybe a few were blue, at the end of 65 run. But, seems best to stay on the accepted side and go black.
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I know this post is ancient, but just now finding time after having 3 daughters to start checking out the forums again
I have a 1965 Fastback 200 ci from the San Jose plant and am not sure if I have the original engine or not (I purchased the car from a guy who purchased it from the original owner and he didn't end up messing with anything before he found another project), but my block was blue, had a casting number of C5DE 6015-H and a build date of December 22, 1964. My engine tag was black, so that got me to thinking the block may have been replaced at some point with one that was blue. I've since painted it black with the red valve covers and air cleaner, but was always VERY curious if the car originally came with a blue motor.

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No, did not come with a blue motor in 65. All blocks in 64.5-65 are black.

1965 200ci has "either" blue valve cover OR orange-red valve cover.

This info comes straight from the MCA 64.5-65 rules; section G; Engine components to be painted.

From your engine casting # your block is a Falcon block denoted by the first "D". And the "H" is a high revision #. The 6th revision. Probably a service block for Falcon.

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