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Old 02-04-2011, 08:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default '65 Hipo exhaust lock tabs

I am trying to decern what color/finish these should be: My car is a July 1965 Dearborn K code 289.
I am active over at the Hipo forums and have a thread going there and have gotten 4 different responses.
My car was completly rotiseree restored 2 years ago, I have not driven it execpt to show feilds and back from my trailer.
The lock tabs that were installed evedentally were AMK pieces that are nakid plain steel unfinished/protected.
They have started to oxidise/rust just as I remember basicly all vehicles doing in this area (exhaust manifolds) when they were new sitting on dealers lots.
That was then and this is now, we have the technology now that we didn't back some 45 years ago.
I have a new set of locking tabs and want to have them sealed/finished with something in the right color so that they will look right, correct, and last a while before rusting again.
I have had 2 people say bare steel-(1 says black overspray too) and 2 say Black-1 says a "dipped looking" finish, 1 a grayish-black finish.
I know that this is alot for just the finish on exhaust manifold lock tabs but I am faced with changing out my rusty ones which is a bit of work with the exhaust manifolds on the engine and the engine in the car but I really want to get this right and not have to worry about them again. comments?
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:42 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The original finish on the locks would be black paint (engine color). When the engine was assembled and painted black, there was black overspray on the exhaust manifolds, exhaust manifold bolts, and locks. That paint would eventually burn off, but some amount of paint will stay on the bolt heads and the locks. On the original, low mileage cars that I've seen, the locks are differing shades of black, due to how much paint remains. The backside of the locks will be natural with varying amounts of black overspray (depending on how heavily the paint was applied).

My signature pic should give you a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks! Thats a very nice looking engine! do you may be have a close up of the exhaust manifold area? I think I understand what you are getting at.
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Here is a not so good close up of mine


Here is a picture of Bob Perkins low mileage 66 hipo car

You can see the block color overspray on the manifold locks.
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Hi,
A question added to this one. Are any washers used with the locks or is the bolt the only thing there holding the manifold?
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yes. there are thick flat washers. the order of assembly is manifold-washer-lock tab then then bolt.
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Thanks much! I'm on the last leg of the restoration.
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You should know that the standard 289 and 289HP had different bolt locks, due to the long bolt being longer on the 289HP. The good news is although the standard locks could stretch/twist to fit HP, the deeper locks are now being reproduced.

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THANKS 22 Whats YOUR opinion on color/finish on these tabs? as you know they come in the AMK kits looking exactly like the one you picture, bare, naked, untreated metal.
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originally they were painted black as they were installed on the engine when it was painted.
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THANKS 22 Whats YOUR opinion on color/finish on these tabs? as you know they come in the AMK kits looking exactly like the one you picture, bare, naked, untreated metal.
What will convince you that they were painted? I know Bob Mannel stated that on the Hipo forum, others have stated that here, and I know you've been given original examples of them being finished that way. I'm not giving you a hard time, but I'm unsure of what it will take to convince you.
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For a couple of reasons: This is the response that I got from FRED GLAZIER about them in a private Email. and I'll also see if I can dig up the reply from Bob Perkins as well.....


Dear Rick,
The correct finish on both is natural. The bolt lock tabs are clear cad and the bolts are phosphate and oil(black)
Fred
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....And this is the one from BOB PERKINS:

And still anouther from Charles Turner: He says something to the effect that the tabs have a "dipped look" to them. I (Rick) am not real sure what this means-I WAS taking it that Charles was meaning that the tabs looked as if they were DIPPED in some sort of paint (possibly having runs in them??)
I remember seeing many 60s and 70s Ford products on the dealers lots NEW back in the day and IIRC these tabs were flash-rusted just like the exhaust manifolds were.
Again, This all said that was then and this is now and in 2011 there has to be a way to preserve these tabs in their natural color/finish so they will hold up to the exhaust heat and atmospheric conditions better than in 1965.




Originally they were bare steel with black overspray. Do you drive it much?
----- Original Message -----
From: <rbarkley1@cfl.rr.com>
To: <perkinsrestoration@hughes.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:16 PM
Subject: 289 Hipo exhaust manifold lock tabs


> Hi Bob! Could you please give me your opinion as to what color/product to
> finish my new exhaust manifold lock tabs with on my July 1965 Dearborn
> built K code 289? I have a thread going on the Hipo site as well, and so
> far I've gotten 3 different answers, I am trying to make them look
> correct, and last for a while as well before rusting. Thanks very
> Much!!-Rick
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For those of you that may have a copy of the Hipo Mustang by Tony Gregory there is a picture of a K code engine on page 59 at the top: I don't know if that engine/picture is of an original or 1 that has been rebuilt/restored but the tabs sure look like bare steel to me-My thinking is that the Hipos were possibly treated differently due to the Chrome valve covers......
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Hipo manifolds got the block color overspray just the others. Valve covers weren't on the engine when the block/heads/manifolds/etc. were painted.

Best of luck on finding the correct answer.
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