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post #31 of 498 (permalink) Old 10-14-2016, 11:12 AM
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Cut them loose and call this a lesson learned. No point in legal action, they have no assets, probably have no insurance either.

Down here forms are 2 x 10 with 2 X 4's, staggered, one end cut into a point and driven vertically into the ground. Not plywood supported by angled supports.
Red flag and walking papers right there!


Not a flame, at least not very much, but not everyone should sub out their own work. Especially if they can't do their own approval inspections before moving to the next step.

Hire a contractor from this point forward on this and all future projects.

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Can the inspector put a temporary stop work permit on it until he further inspects the issue/s.
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Can the inspector put a temporary stop work permit on it until he further inspects the issue/s.

Vs just firing them?!
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Vs just firing them?!
I agree with letting the incompetent boobs go. Didn't see your post before I posted.
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I worked construction for 4 years down in FL, most of it doing concrete. I cringed when I saw those forms, and the lack of backfill. The water in the forms didn't bother me, we used to pour into standing water because we were below the water line and there was no way to keep the water out. I'm sure they made some adjustments to the cement formula to account for it.
Just looking at the pictures you have, if the lines are where the outside of the blocks are going to go, then you should be good for the next step, the footers are going to be buried anyway, provided they are at the right grade.
Too bad I don't know anybody in that area that does construction.
Don't get overly worked up, they have to make it right, even if they have to do it all over again. It is a shame that they are making money doing this crap, make sure to get negative reviews out to the interwebs, maybe others can be saved from their nonsense.
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They don't have to make it right and they won't.

That job and their understanding of forming is to far off to have done this before. They're a shady crew with no experience, no references and no money to make it right, not to mention their inability to even come close to a professional job.

These guys weren't recommend by anyone but were found outside, hanging around a Home Depot and jumped at the chance to make some cash from someone in a hurry who didn't ask or check on references or insurance.

No insurance equates to this type of work, because they're not a real company.

Sag, I do feel your pain, I'd be livid!!
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I don't think you have to try to double check their work on the down-low. Tell them you have major concerns and are having the work inspected. You don't want them doing more until you get a green light.

You could just wind up having more bad work done and still wind up having to pay for it if you don't tell them to stop until you approve them moving forward.

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post #38 of 498 (permalink) Old 10-14-2016, 04:06 PM Thread Starter
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I can't just fire them because I signed a contract with them. Then they could sue me or worse put a lien on my house.
They are a large company that had some good references on cement work.
I would list their website, but I don't need them seeing this thread just yet.
I have the inspector on my side. He will make sure this is brought to code. If they quit and walk off the job. I can then sue them.
If they refuse to repair this in a way that meets the building code. Then the State Of Michigan will be all up in there a$$es. I HOPE.

For now.
I have told them to stop work. That the building inspector wants a grade stake to be done again. (HE DOES)
So after this 3rd grade stake get's done. The inspector will now what to go after them for.

I don't know if I will sleep better tonight. I am sooo exhausted.
At least the stupidity has ended for now. I just hope the building codes and laws in Michigan can help me.
So far. I think the best thing i could have done was get the Building Inspector involved.
Please keep the suggestions coming. I need all the help, solutions, idea's, and moral support I can get. I am not having a good week.
I may have been needing a contractor but I am not stupid. I talked to many different companies, and they were all quoting me the same prices. These idiots just BS'd me better.

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Well my younger brother stopped by last night.
He worked in the construction business for along time when he was younger. He was even a new home inspector for a few years.
He told me, that these footing were so bad that they absolutely had to be completely torn out, and redone. The noncontinuous pour is grounds enough to have it fail.
He has advised me of how to proceed depending on how it goes with the inspections. He also has a friend lawyer who can help.

Here is what I am thinking. I could be way wrong because I have NO experience with this kind of nightmare.
If the Building inspector FAILS the footings, because they do not meet code. Then these people have to at the least tear all this crap out, and remove it.
If not.
I will have to threaten to sue them. To get them to do the tear out, and return a portion of my money.
If they don't do it.
I will have to sue them.
Anyone else have suggestions, experience, or ideas.

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So, in Oregon when they pour a foundation, it has to be inspected prior to pouring. Do they not do that there? If they do, then the inspector is partially to blame. If the footing is wider than it is required to be and it passes inspection, it doesn't really matter how ugly it is. If the grade can be shot on it and the block stem wall built on it with no issues, then I would build the stem wall and back fill over the footing and never look back. I have been around construction for many years and I have also build stem walls on crappy looking footings, so if it meets building codes, then I would just move forward with the project. Ugly does not mean weak as long as rebar was put in as required.
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In Idaho footings for homes need to be inspected before concrete is poured, for garages since they aren't living quarters done need to be inspected prior to pouring. Since the inspector is on your side and the job is so bad, you should in touch with the head honchos at that company letting them know your intentions if the job is not corrected and done to code.
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Here are some pics of what they did the second day to try and finish the front short pour.
They had concrete scheduled for 3 pm. Were they ready for concrete when the truck came, with some sort of forms? Did they learn any lesson from the day before? HELL NO. So they used another 4 yards of concrete then had to scramble when the forms broke again. Then they were short and had to order another 2 yards.
Then they had a buggy full of concrete left over and they just poured it onto the ground.
More Horror.





















Nice dump the concrete on a piece of plywood in the mud.



Concrete, concrete everywhere but not a drop to eat.



Inside blowout.







This is what my back yard looks like now.


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I will take all the help I can get.
Does anyone know a lawyer.
Does anyone know a legit concrete contractor.

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You won't need a lawyer, there's no way they will come after you. Any judge, even one that's not any type of handy man, will take a look at that slab and side with you.

Take many documentation pictures, tell them to come collect their tools and equipment and be done.

Physically check future references in person, don't be in a rush and at ANY point during construction don't be afraid to halt the job to get another opinion.

I'm assuming that if they are a legit company they filed for a work permit, had it clearly posted and had an inspector sign off on the forms before pouring?

If you're in an unincorporated area then permits probably aren't required, but you did have an inspector stop by? Did ask for the permit placard?

No inspector would have approved moving forward with the pour. I can't imagine why an inspector would want a grade stake or need any type of anything other than a look at the permit to issue a fine for no permit.

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dang man, I really feel bad for you. wish I could help you out.
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