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Today's word is INCOMPETENT.

I had suspected that my cement contractors were INCOMPETENT.
I just got home and I was proven correct.
Well I am telling you. I am not paying them ONE MORE CENT, for anything. Now that they are using twice as much cement.
By the time these folks are done pouring concrete in the WHOLE-A$$ footing forms they made. I will have 3 foot wide footings. I guess the foundation will be strong as hell. It is being made like a fortress. It might be Mongolian proof.
The crappy forms they made keep blowing out at the bottom.
I guess this garage is being built like a fortress.
I need to leave for a while. I just can't watch it anymore.
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Well, one critical question is did they do the rebar correctly? Also, its a bit late for this but there are different additives they can put in the concrete mix. There is one in particular that makes it set up fracken hard. I have never had the fiber strand added but that apparently does well also. Also, I had the inside floor of mine paddled fairly smooth which puts a sort of a hard smooth glaze on top and its easier to keep clean. The pad that they poured in front of my shop door to extend it out for a parking spot is brushed. Theres a lot more details in laying concrete down properly than just slinging of the mud.

I had a nice crew come out for my job. The main contractor did the dirt and crete work. Then these 2 dudes in pony tails who were actually Jehovah's witnesses doing Christian work came out and put my shop up. The contractor knew of my health and condition so he got the church to volunteer these guys. They were very good and their work was donated aside from their stipend. I was definitely blessed. My shop is not that huge but it has been rock solid and not a crack anywhere. I was definitely blessed in that project.

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Were you the one that was disappointed in not being able to find a contractor that could meet your schedule?
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Yup. This would be the guy.
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Were you the one that was disappointed in not being able to find a contractor that could meet your schedule?
This wasn't the sole reason I picked these folks, but I was not going to choose a company that was backed up for 3 months or more, and could not give me any certain date. REALLY!

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A bit late I know, but good guys with good references have jobs lined up.
Those that are ready to start right away usually aren't good picks.

Also, good guys don't need start up money to buy materials. What percentage of the completed job have they been paid already?

If it's as bad as you say and you've already paid them half or close to it, they'll probably just quit and move on.

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You can laugh at my pain.
What can I do. I didn't know I was hiring the 3 freaking Stooges. They didn't seem like special people when I meet them.
I didn't sleep at all last night worrying about this.
I will try to post pictures later tonight.
This morning the stress eased a little. I came to the conclusion that this situation could be worse. I could have foundation walls way too thin, and not deep enough. This is not a problem now.
All I am required to do for my local building code. Is this. A trench footing. It must be 42" deep from grade, because of frost line. It must be 8" wide.
My city doesn't care if I over build. THANK GOD.
I went with Michigan State code. It read 12" wide footing walls, for a structure 2 stories tall. I was approved for 8" .
The contractors failed the first inspection of the trench depth, due to some cave ins. So they dug 48" and passed.
Then they had to dig deeper to get all the clay muck out. Then they filled the trench with 3 yards of 3" stone, compacted, and brought the depth back to 48".
The forms that blew out did so on the inside of the walls, not the outside. There are now areas where the walls are 12-16"s thick.
They poured from back to front.
They built a metal grate bridge over the front so the could get the buggy in the back of the lot. They didn't schedule the cement correctly, and did not get the forms completed for the front of the garage.

Well the cement truck UNION (!%@$#%%) screwed things up also. The truck operator informed them, he could not work after 6:30 p.m.. Since the driver was going to leave. He was not going to wait for forms to be put up. Or should I say, what these buffoons consider forms.
They decided to pour the front footing as wide as the trench.
WTF!
REALLY.

The trench is 3 feet wide. The front corners are almost 24" wide.
GENIUS! Well somewhere in this universe it is. SARCASM!
Then! They short themselves. WONDERFUL, of course they did.
Now. Today they have to tie in another 3 yards of cement in the front.
Good damn thing I was there watching the circus. I told them they better start throwing some rebar into that trench, so they have something to tie into. They did.
So after today. They will have used 20 yards of cement, on a job that required 15 yards.
The front of the garage is almost 3ft wide.
So now I have the Fort Knox of garage foundations. Not even EL Chapo could dig himself out of my garage.
Amazingly it is level and square. Even if it is a little wavy. It is all below grade, so I will never see it again. There is 1 course of block going in also.
I am glad this is almost over. I don't know how much more stupidity I can take. They better not F up ONE more thing.
Because, I have access to their excavator, a big hole in the ground, dirt, and cement. LOL.
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I might not be thinking right, but are you pouring footings, adding a course of block and then pouring your floor? Or pouring the floor along with the footings?

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I might not be thinking right, but are you pouring footings, adding a course of block and then pouring your floor? Or pouring the floor along with the footings?
Yes.
Footings, block, floor. It is code that the floor has to float.

Just an update. They needed 3 yards to tie in. They used 6 yards.
Already, they are hinting for more money.
UHHMMMMM! HELL NO.

If they dug the hole correct. If they built forms correctly, or rented forms. If they would have pumped out all the water from the tench, instead of leaving it full of water for 3 days.
Well. I am sorry that they went way over budget.
But they are not getting any more money than what I already agreed to pay them.
OH well.
NOW. If they want to be dicks about it. We can let a Judge sort this out. I am pretty sure the time stamp photo's I take will be admissible in any court.

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You wanted it in this fall and your getting it! The 3 Stooges can do foundations but do you trust them with the slab? You don't need the floor poured to frame it up, just the blocks. This time of year if it were mine I'd prefer to get framed up and closed in before pouring the floor. Actually, any time of year I would frame it up before pouring the floor. The garage doors can also be installed before pouring the floor, we do it all the time around here. Good luck!

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You wanted it in this fall and your getting it! The 3 Stooges can do foundations but do you trust them with the slab? You don't need the floor poured to frame it up, just the blocks. This time of year if it were mine I'd prefer to get framed up and closed in before pouring the floor. Actually, any time of year I would frame it up before pouring the floor. The garage doors can also be installed before pouring the floor, we do it all the time around here. Good luck!
^^^ I kind of like what he's saying.

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