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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 01:15 AM Thread Starter
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5.0 from a 2017 GT swap. Can it be done?

I've been reading about the coyote swaps and was wondering if anyone has used a 5.0 from a newer Mustang GT instead of buying a motor from Ford Performance. I have found several low mileage salvage mustangs that have a complete drivetrain that can be purchased for less than the cost of a new motor, transmission and rear end. Seems to me that the Ford Performance ECU could be used to make this work. Any thoughts? I would be putting it in a 1968 C code fastback.
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It's done all the time.

IMO not worth anywhere near the trouble of doing so.

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Good lord! That's a lot of trouble for a few more looks at the car show...maybe some faster wheel burning, but a built 302 or a modest 347 can do the same thing.

Have fun with that!

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Yes it can be done. However I believe you cannot fit it in the stock shock towers so you would have to go to a different front suspension. A lot of work but the coyote technology is an incredible engine!
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Search Coyote and see what's involved, there are many threads going on...
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I was all set to do this. Shock towers out, new R&C suspension installed. I had a 2014 Mustang GT so the way that car performed got me all geeked out to put the same drivetrain in my 67. However...when all is said and done, and after researching for months and weighing options, I decided that can get similar power out of a stroker 302, and run fitech (or similar) EFI so when you pop the hood, it has the old school carb look. Way, way cheaper and honestly much closer to a true "bolt in". I decided I have enough challenges with this build, and cussing at a Coyote/6 spd install was not worth the hassle. The transmission is another big factor. The MT-82 is not the greatest gearbox and it's huge compared to a T5.

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I applaud your efforts at going forward on such a swap. Don't let the nay sayers hold you back. The benefits are enormous. The power potential is incredible. 700 hp with a blower, exhaust and tune. Anyone who says he can do that with a 302 for the same cash is dreaming. Have a look here for encouragement. There are loads of examples but this is a good one.

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I applaud your efforts at going forward on such a swap. Don't let the nay sayers hold you back. The benefits are enormous. The power potential is incredible. 700 hp with a blower, exhaust and tune. Anyone who says he can do that with a 302 for the same cash is dreaming. Have a look here for encouragement. There are loads of examples but this is a good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD04-SnGeKE&t=27s
Nice video. Not convincing though, man.

Yeah, I'd stick with a 302 stroked or an easier mod for WAY LESS cash and headaches.

These Coyote motors are nice, but not sure I'd even stop by at a car show to gawk at the plastic engine cover.

Much rather have a ride in something like that. Anyway, to each his own.

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post #10 of 34 (permalink) Old 06-17-2017, 07:22 PM
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I applaud your efforts at going forward on such a swap. Don't let the nay sayers hold you back. The benefits are enormous. The power potential is incredible. 700 hp with a blower, exhaust and tune. Anyone who says he can do that with a 302 for the same cash is dreaming.
Well I must be living in a dream then. I love coyote swaps, but it's a 'want' thing, not an 'power efficiency' thing.
You can't just compare motor modification costs, as a coyote doesn't straight fit in a vintage mustang yeah?

So you have to compare building a 302(stroker, forced induction whatever) to building a vintage mustang with a coyote, which involves changing the front end, wiring, efi fueling parts, tranny mods, all the labour associated etc etc.

You will get cheaper power out of modifying a 302, easy, when comparing conversion costs which NEED to be done. Ever seen a properly built dart block 347/363 with a vortech supercharger? That will make 700hp reliably.
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Thanks for all the comments. At this point I'm still undecided as to what to do. My original idea was to make a Bullitt tribute with a 390 and four speed. That would require a complete drivetrain swap including a 9" rear end with posi. I was thinking for not much more cash I could get a late model GT from an insurance auction and have everything I need including AC. Granted, the mods in the engine bay would have to be considered and the suspension upgraded, but I was planning in upgrading the suspension anyway. I did a google search for totaled GT's and I was surprised at how many there were. I have no idea what they sell for at the auction but if I could get a low mileage vehicle for under $10,000 I think I would come out ahead. I could also ebay any parts I could salvage to help recoup some of the cost.
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Thanks for all the comments. At this point I'm still undecided as to what to do. My original idea was to make a Bullitt tribute with a 390 and four speed. That would require a complete drivetrain swap including a 9" rear end with posi. I was thinking for not much more cash I could get a late model GT from an insurance auction and have everything I need including AC. Granted, the mods in the engine bay would have to be considered and the suspension upgraded, but I was planning in upgrading the suspension anyway. I did a google search for totaled GT's and I was surprised at how many there were. I have no idea what they sell for at the auction but if I could get a low mileage vehicle for under $10,000 I think I would come out ahead. I could also ebay any parts I could salvage to help recoup some of the cost.


I had a coyote crate engine really etc but I sold it.

Coyote is a great swap but if you want power brakes and power steering it starts to get real pricey.

Plus you can't use a MT82 there huge and junk so you have to run a tko or t56 which are 3 K plus


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post #13 of 34 (permalink) Old 06-18-2017, 08:54 AM
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Do you really expect to easily drop in the HVAC system from a late model into a vintage car ? You are really glossing over the amount of custom work, and parts ($$) required to get this done. The big question, do you have the skills/tools to do the work, or will you be paying to have it done for you ?

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post #14 of 34 (permalink) Old 06-18-2017, 09:36 AM
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Why not just build a 408? It will make plenty of power with way less modifications. The car will likely handle better too.
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