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Old 08-23-2009, 01:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Front (big) disc brake conversion question - track width?

I am wondering for those of you who have done a big brake conversion;

Does the conversion change the front track width??

For example the rear wheels are pushed out about 3/16" more with the additional thickness of the disc brake hat, compared to the drum (thinner)

I would assume the same thing happens on the front.

I have limited clearance on the tire to fender, so I want to be careful and do my research before biting the bullit (so to speak)
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It really is going to depend on which kit you use. I used the Mustang Steve 13 inch front disc kit and it did not affect my track width at all (went from drums) .
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It really is going to depend on which kit you use. I used the Mustang Steve 13 inch front disc kit and it did not affect my track width at all (went from drums) .
Yep, +1, it is going to be down to the kit you use. Some kits use hubs that push things out (Wilwood), some use factory track width hubs (Baer and my kits).

Some kits need spacers so the wheels clear the calipers, some don't...
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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After a long wait the brake kit arrived yesterday, picked it up today and got one side installed. It's a very well put together kit. Some little mods, which I'll explain later.







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Holy Crap - That's riduculously cool. I'm not normally a fan of the bright painted calipers, but that's freaking awesome. Huge Rotor, Huge hat.

What rims are those?

Nice work!
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Nice looking brakes! Looks like the Baer shelby brake kit.

What bracket kit did you use or are they custom?
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Ah, I see Shaun's kit has the brackets necessary.

Baer Brakes EXTREME-PLUS front kit with SHELBY caliper-4261142
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It's actually this 13" kit (if I remember correctly)
Baer Brakes 6 piston FRONT Pro-Plus kit - 4261218
with the upgrade to the shelby caliper
going to the 14" wasn't worth the 1200$ for me.

It would fit inside my rim, though.

With the thicker baer hubs, I had to machine out some of the inside of the hub of the wheel. Otherwise it was high centering on it. This was easy, and is really only a retainer lip for the center caps, which I do not use on the front (beacuse I'm using a modern mustang wheel on a vintage 'stang)
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i use Wilwood rotor hats and they are 1/4" thick at the wheel mounting surface.
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After a long wait the brake kit arrived yesterday, picked it up today and got one side installed.
Yippeee! Finally!

Looks awesome.
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Yippeee! Finally!

Looks awesome.
Yes FINALLY

They are really nice, though, and baer's kits are top notch.
Now after waiting this long, I need some California or southern US VMFers to blow some warm weather up here, so i can test the brakes out soon!
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ever thought of using us brake ? the ones that are offered in summit and speedway? i heard they are comparable to willwood
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No, I don't know anything about US brake

I bled the front brakes tonight.
It was a bit confusing, as we thought that the caliper body was leaking.
Turns out that just loosening the bleeder screw allows fluid to leak from the top of the caliper all the way down to the bottom. It appears like a problem with the caliper, but just by using a rag around the bleeder screw, stops the fluid dripping down.
So after that was determined, we went on bleeding and tapping the (big) calipers for air bubbles.
A couple small leaks at the bracket to flex lines connection, which were retightened.
Then we bled a little more to check for air.

Looks okay, but I am going to leave it overnight and see if any leaks present themselves on the garage floor.

Weather is not going to be good for a while, so I am not too sure, when I'll be able to test and break-in the brakes.

I'd like to have a couple good sunny days to make certain that everything is okay.
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When I do any brake work, I always recruit a helper to STAND on the pedal as hard as possible while I check EVERY fitting for leaks.

Unless its a gaping hole you won't see a leak by letting it sit but you should see one if the brake pedal is applied hard.
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When I do any brake work, I always recruit a helper to STAND on the pedal as hard as possible while I check EVERY fitting for leaks.

Unless its a gaping hole you won't see a leak by letting it sit but you should see one if the brake pedal is applied hard.
Yeah, we kind of did that, but I found on the last go round, when I did the front brakes (stock calipers) the banjo bolt washers were seeping. It was not real apparent when bleeding, but overnight there was a puddle under both sides of the front. I had to replace the banjo bolts and washers.

Brake pedal feels firm, but there is definitely a little more travel. I assume that with the 6 pistons, the modulation will be better.

With the single piston caliper, the brakes worked well, but the modulation under partial braking was not that good.

weather is forcast to be good (better) for the weekend. I am hoping this holds and that I can get a day or two of testing in
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