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Old 11-07-2012, 08:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Last pieces of the Puzzle.

I am looking at purchasing Ceramic coated Shorty headers very soon.
My car has a T5 with Hydraulic Clutch. So I am not tooooo worried about fit issues.
Other than my Stock power steering.

My Budget for the whole Exhaust System is $750…..tight

At first I was looking at the Patriots Shorties for $310. 5/16” Flange and 18 ga tubes. Not great reviews

Then I saw the Sanderson Shorties for $470. 3/8” Flange and 16 Ga tubes. A little expensive....but no gasket required.

Summit has Hedman Elite Shorties Ceramic coated for $320. 3/8” Flange and 14 Ga Tubes.

The Hedmans sound like a great deal, but how well do they fit a 1968 302 with Edelbrock Heads?

JBA’s don’t fit in the budget


Hedman vs Sanderson vs
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Will Fox body headers clear the shock towers on a '68? If so, UPR sells shortys with ceramic coatings for something like $175.00 I bought a set at a show from them with special show pricing for $150.00 at the Myrtle Beach Mustang week show.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That's s big no on the fox headers. I have heddman long tubes on mine and they fit really well, if imagine the shorties fit just as good. I'd run the heddman shorties on mine if I was to change it.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Never Mind

I went with the Sanderson Ceramic Shorties. $450 shipped

I cant wait
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I went with the Sanderson Ceramic Shorties. $450 shipped

I cant wait
I don't think you will be disappointed. I wasn't. Here's a nice little article about the performance of shorties, and different size exhaust. Let's get technical. The biggest controversy in header design is the "equal length" versus "shorty" styles - which is best?
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Last pieces of the Puzzle.

I am looking at purchasing Ceramic coated Shorty headers very soon.
My car has a T5 with Hydraulic Clutch. So I am not tooooo worried about fit issues.
Other than my Stock power steering.

My Budget for the whole Exhaust System is $750…..tight

At first I was looking at the Patriots Shorties for $310. 5/16” Flange and 18 ga tubes. Not great reviews

Then I saw the Sanderson Shorties for $470. 3/8” Flange and 16 Ga tubes. A little expensive....but no gasket required.

Summit has Hedman Elite Shorties Ceramic coated for $320. 3/8” Flange and 14 Ga Tubes.

The Hedmans sound like a great deal, but how well do they fit a 1968 302 with Edelbrock Heads?

JBA’s don’t fit in the budget


Hedman vs Sanderson vs
Unless you go with shorty’s or actual custom built headers, 99% of all headers will require "massaging" to install (whether it's denting a tube, moving a bracket, etc.). Unless it is for racing purposes, in all reality, there are little differences in overall performance between shorties (Tri-Y), mid-length & long tube headers.....shorties actually perform excellent up to about 5500 rpm and then will have a slight drop until 6k rpm when it begins to really decline.....more than enough for street use and much better than oem manifolds.

Hedmann in the 60's/70's an excellent product and considered one of the top mfg's with Hooker....they were built in Culver City, Ca until a few years ago. Beginning in the late 80's Hedmann quality began declining & today, they are considered an "inexpensive Header", meaning, you get what you pay for. In general, the head plate should be at least 3/8" (1/2" is best), tubing should be at least 16 gauge (14 is best).....otherwise leaks and burn-though are going to be a problem as well as the longetivity of the headers.
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I have the hedman elite shorties on mine and I need to get an h or x pipe. dopes any one make one that fits shorties in our cars?
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I have the headman elite shorties and the magma flow exhaust kit. The x is in the pipes not the headers
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I understand where the h or x is. What I mean is that usually when you buy an h or x pipe for an application it is designed to connect to the manifolds/ shortie headers etc. I am trying to figure out how everyone with shorties , especially the hedman shorties in out cars is connecting to the shortie headers.
Is anyone making a pre-made h or x pipe that runs all the way up to the hedman shortie headers
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I just bought the JBA mid length H pipe. I will let you know how it fits.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:34 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have JBA shorties. Bought them bare, had them coated. Bought the JBA mid H pipe, fit perfect.
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I used the patriot "Clippsters" and while the gaskets with them were ****e, the headers fit w/ minimal clearance...
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