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Old 02-14-2013, 10:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I was trying to tell a guy at work about it the other day, and I found it easier to name the parts that had not been replaced than those that had.

Doors, quarters, roof skin, deck lid..... thats about it.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:05 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I pushed myself too hard tonight. I could barely lift my arms to wash my face after I sanded for 4 hours with only 2 ten minute breaks. On the upside, I won't be working on the car for 4 days, so I've got plenty of time to rest.

And (drum roll please).......

I'm done sanding...

for now.

I finished blocking off the epoxy. I think it is straight, but I will find out next week. After I finished sanding tonight, I pulled the car outside and brushed the bulk of the dust off of it, and then swept the room 5 times. I got about as much dust gone as I am going to get out. Next week I will tape of the engine bay, tac the car and clean it with wax and grease remover. Then it is on to spraying hi-build.

I have to go by Harbor Freight and pickup the electric HVLP this weekend, and pray it doesn't trip the breaker in my storage unit. If all of that goes well, I'll be done laying hi-build next week, and will start (hopefully) my final blocking week after next.













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were did you get those lateral scoops?
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Great progress and nice ideas so far. I thought of the S2000 seats for my build but ended up with porsche seats and am interested to see how they look when installed! Don't worry about purists, just laugh at them in when they get passed on a highway by a prius You don't still happen to have the gt 350 front valence do you?
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You don't still happen to have the gt 350 front valence do you?
Gave it away on the Christmas thread.

Hood is still up for grabs, but it's not free.
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Good to see all of your hard work and planning coming to fruition. Car is looking great!

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Old 02-17-2013, 12:57 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I picked up the electric HVLP today. I'm a little disappointed to find that it is a siphon feed not a gravity feed. I don't know if I will be able to use it for BC/CC or not, but it should be fine for hi-build. The good news is that it is only rated at 9.5 amps. Since I've never seen anything lower than a 15 amp breaker, I shouldn't have any problems with tripping the power at the storage unit.


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Old 02-18-2013, 11:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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This morning I got on the phone looking for someone who stocked the U-Pol primer line locally, so that I could buy some reducer, and maybe find some of the FAST activator since it has been so cold lately. Turns out there is one about 2 miles from where I've stored the car, and they said they would be happy to trade my normal activator for fast, even thought I didn't by it from them.

Tonight I tried to make all the preparations today, so that tomorrow I could just show up and prime the jambs, then get everything ready for the big day wednesday.

First I pulled the car outside so that I could clean it. While I had the car outside, I used a propane heater to get the room as hot as I could:



I raised the temperature from 43 to 57 in about 25 minutes. It platued about there too, and I wasn't really able to get it up higher.



PSA: Please remember to never use one of those in a closed room. When I was ready to come back inside I used the fan to circulate fresh air in for 5 minutes before I went back inside.

While the car was outside I blew it off really good with some compressed air:



Then I wiped down every inch of it with wax and grease remover from U-Pol



Once I was sure I had all the dust and oils off. I pulled it back inside and took the rear wheels off (for access to the wells) and taped off the engine compartment:



I decided I didn't have enough room in the unit to open the doors wide enough for proper spraying of the jambs, so I pulled the doors. I had hoped to avoid it because it took so long to align, but I will just have to deal with that when the time comes:



After that I tacked everything off twice.

I still had about 30 minutes before I needed to head out, so I decided to go ahead and get the electric HVLP out and clean it out really good to make sure it didn't have any oils in it, and to get the 2.2 tip installed. I'm sure glad I decided to get it out tonight. While I was trying to straighten the hose out (it was really stiff from packing) The hose tore right in half:



I suppose it is possible that I just got a bad one, or it could be the unit is an even bigger POS than everything else HF sells.

Tomorrow I'll be forced to leave work early and waste and hour going to HF to exchange it. And since I'm on a schedule, I'm thinking about buying a compressor + generator so that I can shoot with a standard HVLP if I have to. I really hope it doesn't come to that, buying a compressor and a generator seems like overkill just to spray some primer. I've heard of people rolling out the primer with foam roller before. It might take a little longer to block if I did that, but I might consider it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:30 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Seems an awful non-ventilated space to be spraying anything. You'll be amazed at the cloud you can create with an HVLP. Not sure that gun is going to do what you want. I ALWAYS test spray something before I commit. I used to have a bent hood until it got too many coats to be useful. Come warmer weather I need to remember to find another test piece of some kind. My experience is that it doesn't help that much to raise the ambient temperature, you have to warm up the car and paint too. Air sprays cold though, an electric gun might be more tolerant, I don't know. I really think you might be better off looking into the roll-on primers. PPG has some I know. Folks have been rolling on various low budget top coats for years with surprisingly good results. I don't see why you couldn't do the same with primer. And we wouldn't have to worry so much about you being found passed out from inhaling paint fumes.
It surprises me the company is letting you do this stuff. Most storage places seem to have a provision in the rental agreement against anyone doing any automotive work.
Props for you trying really hard to get something done with very limited resources though. 20 years ago or so if I had any place at all with some kind of roof to work on my cars and/or any way to spray paint I would have thought I was somebody.
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Seems an awful non-ventilated space to be spraying anything.
I'm going to setup some fans with filters to push fresh air in. Shouldn't be much different than any other garage paint job.

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Yep, got a hood to test on

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My experience is that it doesn't help that much to raise the ambient temperature, you have to warm up the car and paint too.
I used a heat gun to warm the metal up. After going around the car for 10 minutes, I used a probe to test the surface temperature. I had it up to 60, which cooled back off to the temperature of the room in about 10 minutes. The hardner I'm using is for 45 - 60, so I just need to stay in that range.

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It surprises me the company is letting you do this stuff. Most storage places seem to have a provision in the rental agreement against anyone doing any automotive work.
This place has more of a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:53 PM   #27 (permalink)
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After thinking about it all night, I decided that I didn't want to screw around with the electric HVLP. I just wasn't convinced I could get enough flexibility from the hose to be able to get all the angles I needed in my cramped working area. I was so happy with how my $10 purple harbor freight pneumatic HVLP laid down the epoxy, I decided to give a go with the high build. I spent an hour looking at all the compressors I could get locally from Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, and Harbor Freight. The compressor I've been using back home is a 2HP with 3.8scfm@90psi and 4.6scfm@50psi. The purple gun says it requires 6SCFM@50psi, but I've been running it at 35psi with no problems on epoxy. I decided on a 8 gallon horizontal, 2HP from harbor freight. It was on sale for the exact same price as the electric gun I was taking back, and it was rated at 4.4scfm@90psi, and 5.5scfm@40psi. As a bonus, it was only rated at 13.5Amp@120V, so I could power it off of the shop's power.



I was however worried about powering the lights and fans off of the same 15amp circuit as the compressor, because if I trip the breaker, I have no way to reset it, and I'll be done for a day or two until the owner gets by to flip it back. So I was planning to run my small 1000W generator for them, but while browsing around Harbor Freight looking for HVLP tips I saw a 750w power inverter on sale for $19. I figured I would spend more than $19 on gas at current prices running the generator, so I picked it up:



It ran four fluorescent lights and two 20" box fans no problem.

I wanted to pick up another purple HVLP gun just like mine back home, but the biggest one they had was a 1.5mm tip, and they don't carry extra tips. So instead I picked up this thing, which has approximately a 2.1mm tip:





I also hooked up an inline desecator right at the compressor, and the small moisture trap in the line right before the gun:



I have to say, I'm impressed with the little compressor. It is not oil free, but the oil free ones always seem to be rated about 30% less SCFM that the oil ones, so I'm willing to make that trade off. it is also very very quiet. I was shocked at how quiet it was.

While I was really impressed with the compressor, I was mortified at how horrible the gun was. I knew a siphon gun would use more SCFM than the gravity feed, plus I was spraying a thicker material, but I couldn't get the stuff to hardly move at all. Even cut 4:1:0.5 with reducer, I had to run at the max PSI rating of the gun (55) and have the flow adjustment wide open to get a small 1" spray pattern. Even then it would sputter on me occasionally. The literature stated 4SCFM@50psi, which the compressor supported, but I think the gun probably needed close to 12SCFM@50psi.

Painting was so slow, it took me over an hour just to do the underside of the hood, the edges of the inside doors, the door jambs, and the backsides of the fenders:







So as much as it pains me, I've decided I will have to wait until next week to spray the body in hi build. It is going to set me back a few days on my really tight schedule, but it is better than screwing things up. Not only will I be able to order a gun that will work, but as a bonus, it is getting up into the 60's early next week.

I looked through the first ten pages of results for HLVP on amazon, and then clicked on every gun that had a 1.8 or bigger tip. Then I looked at every gravity feed that was rated at less than 5SCFM@50psi. I looked through all the reviews until I found some that had intelligent comments, and decided on a Neiko 2.0 HLVP. I've never heard of it, but it had great reviews for spray ability, even with latex paint, which should be about the same thickness as the high build. I don't know how durable it will be, but I only need to use it once or twice.
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Slow night tonight. Couldn't do too much until my new spray gun comes in. I used a 4" foam roller to touch up the door jambs where the air hose hit it while it was wet, then put a little on the bottoms of the doors:





Here is a close up of what rolled hi-build primer looks like. I put a thin tacky coat on with a really dry roller, then came back five minutes later with a wet roller. It has some significant orange peel, and I wouldn't want to block an entire car that was done with a roller. But for doing small repairs, it would probably take less time to block out the peel then it would to setup and then clean a gun. I rolled it with a disposable foam roller and a disposable paint tray. I threw away $2.25 in supplies and cleaned up in less than a minute.





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Old 02-21-2013, 11:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The new HVLP was waiting at the door today. After dinner I tried it out. It laid the paint better, but still not great. I had been cutting the U-Pol 4:1:0.5, so I decided to go 4:1:0.75. What a huge difference that makes. I couldn't believe it. Since I was going a little thinner, I laid 4 coats instead of 3. Tonight I finished the nose, deckled, and fenders. The orange peel was pretty heavy, in fact not any better than the roller I would say. However it is much faster than the roller. I also had a problem with some sort of stringy "boogers" dropping off before I thinned it. Not too sure what caused that. The only run I got was around the fog light hole, where it let it puddle a little bit and then it ran down. Guess I should have laid the nose flat to spray those holes.











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Old 02-22-2013, 04:56 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Gave it away on the Christmas thread.

Hood is still up for grabs, but it's not free.
Ouch I really missed out! I am a fan of the stock hood for my car, thank you though. The car is coming together really nicely
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