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Aftermarket A/C?

Taking delivery of a Dynacorn 67 Fastback in about a week or so, and I'm attempting to complile a list of stuff I'm going to need. I've pretty much settled on an American autowire loom, Classic Instruments, and Street or Track suspension. Tonight I went looking for a heat and A/C system and really couldn't find much. About the only the only thing I saw was Vintage Air, I've used them before but was wondering what else is available? Thanks, John

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 12-02-2014, 09:02 PM
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I'm happy with my old air system.

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Vintage Air, Old Air, and Classic Auto Air are probably the most well known. I have a Vintage Air system and it works great.

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There is a company out called Resto mod Air. I believe they are a susidiary of Classic Air. I'm thinking of using them on my build. If not then I'll probably go with a Classic Air system.
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I used the Vintage Air SureFit Gen IV kit which enables you to retain the factory controls and vents, keeping things nice and original looking. The deciding factor for me between this set-up and Classic Air's was that they require you to drill and make holes in the car to install --- no way. Vintage air used all existing holes and such, very clean...

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Whichever you decide make sure it will work with the AAW kit you are planning to use, maybe all three (Vintage, Old Air, Classic) do. Anybody know for sure I need to know this myself.

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Whichever you decide make sure it will work with the AAW kit you are planning to use, maybe all three (Vintage, Old Air, Classic) do. Anybody know for sure I need to know this myself.
I believe that all will work as they are universal, simply need a + & - 12V power hookup.
Vintage air provides a circuit breaker that mounts underhood, I hid mine on the firewall for a stock look, and requires a 12V battery feed. It bypasses the factory heater power entirely, although you could probably use that if you insisted.

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The AAW kit I recently purchased (but not yet installed) states "Due to space constraints and mounting location of the fuse panel itself, this harness CANNOT be used in a vehicle with factory A/C." That is what scares me a little about the Vintage Air Gen IV system, because it uses the factory holes and mounting locations. I have been leaning toward the Old Air "Hurricane" system even though I think it may be pricier, but might rethink this if I know the Vintage Air will work. Can anybody confirm this? Hope I'm not hijacking this thread but it looks like we are in the same boat here.

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Well, I am thinking that you'll be OK as you do not wire the aftermarket AC system into any existing vehicle AC/heat wiring to power it, it will have its own ground & hot wires that get connected to the battery... not the car's fusebox and harness.

The power needed is mainly for the blower motor, secondarily for control circuitry. I simply taped off/tucked away the existing harness plugs that went to the original heater box. I then ran the new feed from the battery, taping into the existing harness to the voltage regulator and connecting to the solenoid on the switched 12V Bat term.

You can't even tell that I have the aftermarket system installed, the only giveaway is the modern Sanden compressor. As for the Vintage system using stock holes/mounting.. this means that you will not be drilling any holes in your car, everything mounts neatly in the spaces that were meant for it and it looks like it belongs. Others look out of place, require holesawing of the rad support and holes drilled for bracketry and such that will stand out like a sore thumb... just my opinion after research for my needs though...
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Well, I am thinking that you'll be OK as you do not wire the aftermarket AC system into any existing vehicle AC/heat wiring to power it, it will have its own ground & hot wires that get connected to the battery... not the car's fusebox and harness.

The power needed is mainly for the blower motor, secondarily for control circuitry. I simply taped off/tucked away the existing harness plugs that went to the original heater box. I then ran the new feed from the battery, taping into the existing harness to the voltage regulator and connecting to the solenoid on the switched 12V Bat term.

You can't even tell that I have the aftermarket system installed, the only giveaway is the modern Sanden compressor. As for the Vintage system using stock holes/mounting.. this means that you will not be drilling any holes in your car, everything mounts neatly in the spaces that were meant for it and it looks like it belongs. Others look out of place, require holesawing of the rad support and holes drilled for bracketry and such that will stand out like a sore thumb... just my opinion after research for my needs though...
Ok, my concern is not the wiring. My worry is that the required location of the fuse block for the AAW kit might interfere with the required location of the Vintage Air components being one and the same. Two objects cannot occupy the same space concurrently. I would really like to hear from someone (other than the respective manufacturers) who has actually installed both these systems in the same 67/68 car and was there a conflict or not? Thanks!

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I'm going to bump this 2 year old thread, please forgive me. I have the same question as below: I'm looking at an AAW kit and a vintage air kit. Would these interfere with one another. Anybody have experience installing these together? Or the classic auto kit with an AAW kit?
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I'm going to bump this 2 year old thread, please forgive me. I have the same question as below: I'm looking at an AAW kit and a vintage air kit. Would these interfere with one another?
I have since learned that the AAW fuse block can be located elsewhere so as not to interfere. Some put it behind the glove box for instance, or on the left side somewhere. The length of the wires are generous to that purpose, there is flexibility for it.

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post #13 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-21-2017, 01:12 AM
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My AAW harness is mounted in the far left corner on the firewall (didn't care about the vent, might have all worked in a non-hydraulic MDL clutch car). The ignition key circuit is pretty tight, everything else had plenty to work with. Most of my wires are hidden in the fender wells and everything reached except a small splice in the piggy backed horn circuit (about 6"). You do have to move it from the suggested template location if you want A/C however. The awesome write up from this site (on CJ) shows what he did pretty accurately (under cowl).

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