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Kirkey Seat and Stock Steering Wheel????

Most, if not all pictures I have seen when a Kirkey drag race or road race seat is used, there is also a removable steering wheel. So my questions are:

1. If you have an OEM steering wheel that is non-removable, how easy can you get in and out of the car? I realize that physical size will effect this, but it looks like the high sides may make this very difficult anyways.

2. If you have an OEM steering wheel, have you made it removable with one of the hub adapters? Not even sure if this can be done, and if so, I think it will move the wheel too close to the driver. Can it be done?


I am looking at the Aluminum Pro Street Drag Seat 41500 family for my 70.

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Did you see my thread on my race car? I installed Kirkey seats in it. You should be able to use the stock steering wheel. The Kirkey seats I have are no higher the my door bars and I raced with the stock steering wheel in the past. My problem was the design of my roll bar that was installed in 1993 would not allow the Kirkey seats to go back far enough plus it is a lot easier getting in with a removable steering wheel.

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Rusty, Thanks for pointing that out. I just sent back and looked at your thread and not recall seeing it back in the fall. Very helpful. Same setup with the seat I am looking to do. I do have a swing out door bar, so it will make getting in easier.

That is still the stock column that you put a hub adapter for the removable steering wheel on, correct?

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IMO, if you are racing the car, you need as much space as you can to quickly exit the car. Whatever makes that happen, go with it. For me, it was a quick release and aftermarket wheel.

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Totally agree that a quick exit is essential, especially if you track your car. Regardless if you go with the stock wheel or a removable aftermarket one, practice getting out quickly (one of the members of our local Shelby Club is a former aviator who regularly stresses the importance of practicing until it's automatic - sage advice IMHO).
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Rusty, Thanks for pointing that out. I just sent back and looked at your thread and not recall seeing it back in the fall. Very helpful. Same setup with the seat I am looking to do. I do have a swing out door bar, so it will make getting in easier.

That is still the stock column that you put a hub adapter for the removable steering wheel on, correct?
Yes that column has never been out of the car. I installed the seats in December.

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IMO, if you are racing the car, you need as much space as you can to quickly exit the car. Whatever makes that happen, go with it. For me, it was a quick release and aftermarket wheel.
Mark, Thanks for stressing that and I completely agree on that. That was one of the reasons I was asking how easy it was to get in/out.

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Totally agree that a quick exit is essential, especially if you track your car. Regardless if you go with the stock wheel or a removable aftermarket one, practice getting out quickly (one of the members of our local Shelby Club is a former aviator who regularly stresses the importance of practicing until it's automatic - sage advice IMHO).
Lance, Very good point. I have practiced with my eyes closed quickly killing the engine, unlatching the harness and getting out with the current set up. I even practiced rolling over the door bar in case I could not disengage the door bar. Still much different than in a stressful situation, but practice always helps.

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Yes that column has never been out of the car. I installed the seats in December.
Rusty, what quick disconnect did you go with that fit the stock column? Was it a bolt on or weld on unit?

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Cobra auto has the quick release that fits a stock steering column. Not sure what diff types of wheels it may fit though. I put my Moto on it. I know this isn't quite what your after, but here it is anyway.





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Cobra auto has the quick release that fits a stock steering column. Not sure what diff types of wheels it may fit though. I put my Moto on it. I know this isn't quite what your after, but here it is anyway.


Mark, I picked up the Cobra Auto quick release along with a Mota Lita wheel. Very easy install, well made and looks great, so thanks for point me in that direction.. I see that you have a cap that covers the end of the steering column. Did you make that or buy it?

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Just to say it, a removable wheel is not street legal. That may not bother you, it didn't bother me when I did mine, but if you ever sell it then it may be an issue for the next guy. Also, fixed back seats are not great fun when you are in the car for any significant period of time. Just something to consider.

I personally never let these details bother me, but as you get older you do find that race car parts are better suited for the track. Removable wheels and fixed back seats with five point harness do look cool on street cars, but there is a significant trade off to your comfort. A tilt wheel, adjustable back seat, and three point retractable seatbelt is far more suited to the street. This from someone who has been there and done that for almost 50 years. BTW, my first street car had a full cage, no interior, fixed back seat, five point harness, aluminum dash and gauges, and so on. So I speak from experience, just consider the tilt and adjustable seat and stuff like that, it adds to resale also.

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Mark, I picked up the Cobra Auto quick release along with a Mota Lita wheel. Very easy install, well made and looks great, so thanks for point me in that direction.. I see that you have a cap that covers the end of the steering column. Did you make that or buy it?


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Just to say it, a removable wheel is not street legal. That may not bother you, it didn't bother me when I did mine, but if you ever sell it then it may be an issue for the next guy. Also, fixed back seats are not great fun when you are in the car for any significant period of time. Just something to consider.

I personally never let these details bother me, but as you get older you do find that race car parts are better suited for the track. Removable wheels and fixed back seats with five point harness do look cool on street cars, but there is a significant trade off to your comfort. A tilt wheel, adjustable back seat, and three point retractable seatbelt is far more suited to the street. This from someone who has been there and done that for almost 50 years. BTW, my first street car had a full cage, no interior, fixed back seat, five point harness, aluminum dash and gauges, and so on. So I speak from experience, just consider the tilt and adjustable seat and stuff like that, it adds to resale also.

All the best,
Darrell Thanks for the info. One of the reasons I went with the cobra auto quick release is it does not require any mods/welding to the steering shaft, so the original wheel can be put right back on in 10 minutes (I will keep the wheel for the future). I am also holding on to the original seats along with anything else that can be put back in if needed. Some things, such as my center console can no longer be put in due to transmission tunnel mods.

This car is 90% track, so it may see 200 street miles, absolute max in a year, thus, not overly worried about the lack of luxuries Been focusing more on safety this past year with the car in the mid-low 10's last fall and hoping to touch the 9's this season.

Mark, nice job on the cover.. I need to make something.

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Mark, Did you start with some type of plastic cap? I need to make something and was thinking if I can find a plastic cap to start with, it could fit over the end of the column.

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Kirkey Seat and Stock Steering Wheel????

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Mark, Did you start with some type of plastic cap? I need to make something and was thinking if I can find a plastic cap to start with, it could fit over the end of the column.


No.

Made it out of sheet metal. Welded Z tabs to backside so it holds by friction. Easy to put on and off.

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