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post #46 of 60 (permalink) Old 03-20-2017, 08:05 AM
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Did you clean the flywheel and pressure plate really well with solvent? No greasy finger prints on the disc?

Don't assume your motor mounts are good either. Get a pry bar and check for excessive movement or if one is broken.

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I've tried uploading a vid but it rejects it saying it's an invalid file ?
You can't upload a file directly to the VMF. It has to be hosted online somewhere and you post the link to it either from the photo box(little yellow box, mountain and sun) or the link box(globe with a chain link under it). Copy and paste is your friend on these photo and video links. I use photobucket because it will upload photos and videos but it is a bit slow. I got away from youtube for a while because I do not like Google but I have a few videos on there.

The only stick vehicle I am working on I got a Kennedy stage 2 clutch/pressure plate for it. Very happy with the results so far but its not a Ford.

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Did you clean the flywheel and pressure plate really well with solvent? No greasy finger prints on the disc?

Don't assume your motor mounts are good either. Get a pry bar and check for excessive movement or if one is broken.
Yes i used alcohol to clean the pressure plate and flywheel.
The pass side mount has a small split in it but it's nowhere near to even a 1/4 of it.

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Yes i used alcohol to clean the pressure plate and flywheel.
The pass side mount has a small split in it but it's nowhere near to even a 1/4 of it.

That could very well be the issue. That mount is deteriorating and since you probably replaced both mounts at the same time, they're both in the same condition. I definitely wouldn't rule the mounts out as your problem.

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post #50 of 60 (permalink) Old 03-20-2017, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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I've just had a friend drive the car and then got him to stand at side of the car while i let the clutch out and the engine appears to be moving a lot, the mounts aren't split all the way through but they look very perished, so i'm going to fit new ones.
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Just to add i didn't replace the motor mounts, in truth i don't know how old they are. Are the 66 mounts the same as 64-5 ?

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Early 66s are the same but I'm not sure where the crossover date is to the later mount.

I went through a similar clutch chatter scenario and, after replacing everything, it
turned out to be excessive crankshaft endplay.

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I've put the new mounts in, dropped the car down, started it up and it's revving really high, it sounds noisy and it's vibrating. It pushed the sump up a little could there be contact inside ?
I had to jack it up high to get the mounts in.
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"....... It pushed the sump up a little could there be contact inside ?
I had to jack it up high to get the mounts in.
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What exactly pushed up the oil pan ? Jacking the motor up using the oil pan, or engine contact with the engine crossmember ?


Done properly with a 2x6 or larger wood support, the oil pan can be safely and easily used as a jacking point for the engine when changing mounts, etc. I've jacked up countless engines this way, and didn't even even scuff the paint, let alone dent the pan inward.

If you are getting those symptoms, then yes, it's very possible that the rotating assembly is hitting the inside of the oil pan. It's time to take the pan off and best it back into shape, or replace it.

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Jacking up from the pan with a piece of wood.
The fan is now touching the shroud at the top and the crease in the pan is very small.
I had to jack one side up at a time to get each mount in.

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The alloy shroud had slipped down and was hitting the fan, moved it out the way and it's quiet now, I wouldn't have thought something as little as that could affect the motor so much.

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So have the new mounts eliminated the issue?
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Not entirely but it's a hell of a lot better, maybe the new clutch will bed in as well.
Appreciate all the help.
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Now that you've fixed the real problem, there could still be 'residual affects' like
hot spots on the flywheel and maybe some warpage still causing some clutch chatter.

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Flywheel is brand new billet one.

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