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Old 10-30-2003, 03:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Here's the post I found that I'm using as my guide...

http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/fo...rue#Post806895

(that search is great stuff BTW...)

Ok, so I go into the Arnold's Motor Supply place to pick up the sealants I need to do the job... there's the windshield weld, but no buytl based sealant... I go to the counter and ask them if they have some... He goes back over there and picks up the tape stuff (1/4" x 15' if I recall) and I say... "No... like caulk type sealant..." Then for the next 20 minutes he finds every urethane type known... no buytl....

He talks to another guy who comes back with the killer response... "I don't think that exists".... Duh, this guy did 6 of them... and I know of at least 4-5 others who have... it does exist...

I left them in their dumbfounded state....

SOoooooo, where can I get some buytl based sealant... does it go by another name? Does 3M make some? (according to these guys, they don't..?)

What am I lookin' for here guys? I just found out the "Autoglass specialists" decided to DOUBLE the rates to install the glass... from $75 a piece to $150 a piece... even after they quoted me less than two weeks ago the $75 price... so I'm going to do it myself... not pay those freaks....

Need help, it's gonna happen this weekend I hope! Thanks.
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Old 10-30-2003, 03:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I googled it, and got this back:
Butyl Windshield Sealant
Butyl Windshield Sealant 4203 is a uniquely formulated one-part butyl adhesive/sealant designed to have excellent resistance to environmental temperature extremes and acid/alkaline conditions. 4203 forms a permanent flexible bond to a wide variety of substrates including brick, concrete, metals, and plastics.

It skins over very rapidly through solvent release and cures to a tape-like consistency. A fast and efficient method to bond and seal butyl set windshields and back-lights. Cures to a tough, flexible bead that can be leak tested immediately.

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Apply with a standard caulking gun from tube. All surfaces to be sealed or bonded must be clean and dry. Primer may be required for certain surfaces. Use Mineral Spirits or 4070 Universal Adhesive Cleaner for clean-up.




4203
Butyl Windshield Sealant
11 oz. cartridge




Copyright 2003 Martin Senour Company


Martin Senour Automotive Coatings Are Sold Exclusively Through NAPA Auto Parts

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Old 10-30-2003, 03:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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And there's a Napa just down the street, I think.

Thanks a bunch!

This just goes to show... You had best know EXACTLY what you're looking for if you're to ask any of those parts counter guys... if they can't find it in their book, it doesn't exist. Even if you tell them otherwise.
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I believe it's "3M Automotive Bedding and Glazing Compound", part 08509
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I just got off the phone with my buddy that installs windshields for a living and he doesn't have a tube in the van but he thinks it was called glazing compound in a white tude made by 3M. He is going to call me later when he gets to the shop to confirm what they use. I used the same product on my car but that was over a year ago.
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I must have just slid right over that stuff when I was looking at all the containers and so forth... I was looking for something with "sealant" in the name, not a glazing thing... duh... I guess I shoulda stayed there and read all of the tubes.

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I've always asked for "bedding compound" and they knew what that was. I believe it's 3M brand.
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Old 10-30-2003, 03:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Okay, I think I'll just see if they have some of that... here's another question....

How much of this stuff will I need? I'm going to purchase it and then go off to do my work.. I'd rather not have to stop and get more... I've got the seals to put on the front and the back, as well as putting them into the car? I assume I'll probably need more that one cartridge... but how many? 4? 10?
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When 66 pony said "I believe it's "3M Automotive Bedding and Glazing Compound", part 08509" He could not be more correct. That is, of course, if you are talking about a 65-68 Mustang. NPD has it for $6 or $7 a tube. Forget the buytl, that's for new cars.
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Are you sure the buytl is for new cars?

I believe the butyl is for old cars, and urethane is for the newer cars... My body shop guy said be SURE you get the butyl based for my '66 windshield install...
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No butyl sealant! your own words say it all i have been installing windshields for 10 years and i own a glass shop that specializes in autoglass and i would not recomend any product that you guys are talking about that has butyl in it at all. the bedding compound is to fill in any voids from the factory in you pinch weld area ( pinch weld is the part of the car that your windshield gasket goes around) you should install your windshield in a new! gasket then make sure it is seated properly then buy a tube of windshield urethane ( comes in a caulking style tube) SIKA TACK DRIVE is what brand i would recomend. then cut the long poined tip back until you have a hole probably a 1/4" in diameter then squirt it between the gasket and body fromt the outside of your car all the way around to seal it to the body and then run a bead of it between the glass and gasket. and you should be set. this stuff is very messy if you get it on anything so get some 3m general adhesive remover that comes in a red and white can and is good for getting this stuff off anything from yourself to your car and it doesnt hurt your paint. it may take the wax off but wont hurt anything. The butyl idea is about 20 yrs outdated and even messier than anything you can imagine and its like tar when its hot it melts and squeezes out which can cause leaks and a mess also when its cold it gets kinda hard which can also cause leaks dont use it please trust me on this one your install will turn out better and safer. by law to meet federal motor vehicle safety standards the only product legal to use when i install an old gasket style windshield that i have to bring up to todays code is urethane. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS CALL ME @ GLASSWORKS (406) 265-9486 AND I WILL HELP YOU ANY WAY I CAN.
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Ok, forget what I said about the butyl it's immaterial. The point is, if you use the 3M bedding and glazing compound, and seal the inside groove where the WS glass sits, then seal the gap between the body and the rubber, you will have a nice, clean, watertight install. Just my $.02. This worked for me on the front and back of my 65 coupe.

When you are done successfully, let us know how you choose to do it. Obviously, there is more than one way....
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So you have used this compound and had no problems with it sealing or doing anything else at all?

See my problem is I've read message after message here that says "use butyl"... I have my body guy say "you HAVE to use butyl"... then I have GLASSMAN who says don't use it... Which leads me to utter confusion....

But you say you've used it, and had no problems whatsoever using it?
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No offense to GLASSMAN... but using the buytl compound is how Ford did it back in the day. If that's what you're after, use the 3M product.
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Actually, I'm after getting my windshield in and not having to pay $150 to DA MAN.

I was under the impression that the rubber seals required the use of the butyl compound in order for it to work properly... That's what Ford used, so I figured that sounded about right.

Now, if it turns out that the urethane is ok with the rubber, I'd feel better about it... but at this point, I've had a lot of people tell me I should use butyl.
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