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Old 11-25-2004, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Newbie here, 1st post. My son is 1 1/2 yr from getting his license and we're starting to discuss first car. He has a lot of interest in '64-'68 Mustangs. I've never owned a 'stang but it was a neighbor's '67 Coupe that charged me to start saving for my first car at age 14 so I have a lot of appreciation for them. I'm looking to spend around $8500 total and wouldn't mind buying a car that needed paint and interior work but the total spent can't be any higher. I'm concerned about getting a car with a lot of hidden rust or having an endless journey of repairs. I would like to have a father-son project car but I would also like to reach a point that it is considered 'finished' when it is a reliable , nice looking daily driver (with air and power brakes). Is this a realistic goal in this price range or should I just stick him in a Honda Accord and forget about it? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. (By the way, I have limited mechanical aptitude since my dad had none but I like to take apart and reassemble stuff)
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By the way I did a 'search' and didn't find what I was looking for.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow, wish I had a dad that would buy me an $8500 car for my first car!

Anyways, main areas are:

Floorpans - look at them from underneath, and lift the carpet and look if possible. Not too hard to replace, if you can weld.
Cowl - the cause of rusty floorpans. The vent in front of the windsheild. The best way to check is to pour water into it, and see if any starts dripping on the carpet inside.
Door edges - pretty much the whole bottom half of the doors are likely to rust. You'd see bubbles in the paint along the bottom edge. Can be pretty expensive and time consuming to replace.
Frame - Main frame rails running under the car. If these are bad, it's almost definitely a car you'd want to stay away from.
Trunk - Look at the trunk drop offs (either side of the gas tank). Not sure about how hard it is to replace, but I can't imagine it being too easy.

That's just to get started. Overall, the more complete car you can get, the less money you would end up spending. $8500 will get a nice driver.
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That's a nice looking E39. I had an E34, 530IA that I sold when I moved from New Orleans to St. Louis a few years ago. Welcome to the forum.
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Old 11-26-2004, 01:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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This might not be exactly what you're looking for,but when my daughter got her license I gave her a 10 year old Toyota and told her to beat that to death and when she figured out how to keep it between the lines without bumping into anything,forwards AND backwards we'd get her something nice.If you get your son a vintage mustang for his first car,odds are he'll beat it into splinters in fairly short order.You might want to re-think this one.But,your son could be the exception that proves the rule about the level of responsibility shown by teen-agers behind the wheel of a car.I read something a couple of years ago about how 3 out of 4 car crashes with fatalities had a teen-age driver involved.Something with modern brakes,restraints and air bags would be a very good first car.Just my opinion though.
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Old 11-26-2004, 01:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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This might not be exactly what you're looking for,but when my daughter got her license I gave her a 10 year old Toyota and told her to beat that to death and when she figured out how to keep it between the lines without bumping into anything,forwards AND backwards we'd get her something nice.If you get your son a vintage mustang for his first car,odds are he'll beat it into splinters in fairly short order.You might want to re-think this one.But,your son could be the exception that proves the rule about the level of responsibility shown by teen-agers behind the wheel of a car.I read something a couple of years ago about how 3 out of 4 car crashes with fatalities had a teen-age driver involved.Something with modern brakes,restraints and air bags would be a very good first car.Just my opinion though.
I actually agree with you more than you'll know. I worked and paid for every car I've ever had and my first few were 100,000 mile cars. My wife, on the other hand, was given a string of nice cars up until we got married (84 200sx, 86 300zx-NEW, 85 Trans-Am, 87 Escort GT-NEW). She thinks we should be considering a near new somewhat expensive car. I told her if she is willing to drive a POS, then we can get the kid a great car. So looking in the $6000 to $8000 range is sort of a 'compromise'. I would rather get the kid something cheaper but if I'm gonna spend that much, I want to get something that I would want to have and work on too. Although the wife is not into classic cars at all so this would require a little work to talk her into an older Mustang. If it's a Mustang, I'm considering a 6 cyl so I can make sure he doesn't think it's too fast but I would rather have a 289 for myself.
I'm just trying to give serious thought to several different possibilities. Mustang is the only classic-older car I am considering.
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Old 11-26-2004, 02:07 AM   #7 (permalink)
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$8500 will get you a pretty decent, if not nice, '65 or '66 I6 auto coupe.
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Old 11-26-2004, 02:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Whatever you decide to buy make sure you or someone visually checks the car out first. Dont be afraid to offend someone because you want to know what you're buying. Before I bought my 73 stang I listened to a guy tell me how great his 66 was( of course he was trying to sell it to me) then I looked under it and found holes in the floor that had been covered with duct tape and spray painted. Needless to say I walked away from that one.
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Old 11-26-2004, 07:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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get a 5 year old Escort ZX2. I just picked one up for $1000 on ebay, with 70K miles on it. For the money you can 't beat the reliability you get, and when, not if, but when he messes up and bashes a fender in or something, it won't hurt as much as if it were a nice mustang.

My first car was a 1985 Ford Econoline 150 conversion van, and let me tell you, had it been a Mustang, I would have jumped off a bridge in shame over what I did in it, and to it. Of course, when you are 16, and you have a big van with a fold down backseat, it's a lot easier to uh... "get in trouble" than when you have a small 2 door coupe with a tiny backseat. Not to say that it's not possible to uh... "get in trouble" in the backseat of a 1968 Mustang. It's even possible to "get in trouble" in a fiat spider. (don't ask me how I know that one :: )

Anyhow... if you do get him a classic mustang, get him one that has original paint on it, and is rust free. a nice 1968 coupe with 57K original miles and all original paint sold near me for $4500. That leaves you $4000 to get a decent paint job on it, and put some disk brakes on it. Be very careful of repainted or freshly painted cars, you never know how much bodyfiller is hiding under the paint.
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Old 11-26-2004, 09:13 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, That's all great advice, but if you insist on a pony car, the only thing I can add is two words to keep the kid alive: Six Cylinder

Maybe you could get him a POS to drive and restore something together, there is no better way to get close to your kid than to be covered in sweat and grease together. This would allow for driving experience and maturing time. :p
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Old 11-26-2004, 09:35 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My first driver was a 65, straight six, four speed. I never had an accident nor any type of ticket, so kids with Mustangs can do alright. I've never really been a lead foot, not from the starting line anyway, but I do like to stay above speed on the highway.

A straight six would be plenty for him and easier on y0ur check book.

Check with your local Mustang club(s) (e.g. okmustangs.com,
www.greencountryclassicmustangs.com). Not up to snuff on my OK geography, so I understand these may be far away and you might have a club closer in a neighboring state (I gotta go brush up with the atlas).

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Well, That's all great advice, but if you insist on a pony car, the only thing I can add is two words to keep the kid alive: Six Cylinder

No doubt.
If my first car had been a V8 instead of a six I don't think I'd be here. :no:

In my opinion, you should be able to find a nice I6 car for that price.
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Another Dad checking in-please, not too much Horse Power, but really good brakes. Sounds like you got a real good handle on it already. A nice little I-6 coupe would be just the thing. In OK, you're gonna want A/C I'd bet, not sure if you can even get the 6's with A/C, but I suppose you can.

The little 6's are a great way to learn simple mechanics, plenty of room under the hood, not a mess of wires and pulleys likes todays stuff.

Kudo's to you for checking with the VMF before making a mistake.

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Old 11-26-2004, 10:04 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Swmbo and I gave our 15 year old son a 72 sportsroof last christmas.He has took the car apart and is rebuilding it.If its daylight he is working on the car.All his money he makes he puts into the car.His grades have improved in school and it has gotten us as a family closer together.Last week I let him drive my 71 mach1 WOW he said.I ask if he was going to drive the 72 to school he said no way he wants a POS for a driver.Good luck <>< :: [color:"blue"] [/color]
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I would have to agree with getting the I6. Plus, if it's something that both of you work on together, and HE puts money into it, I think your son will treat it much better. I firmly believe the key is that HE contributes not only in labor, but monetarily too. He will have much higher stakes and pride in the car than if it is simply "handed" to him. Just my opinions..and you can take them for what they're worth...

Oh yeah...when you do go look, see if someone on here is local and can take a look for you, or better yet,you can accompany that person...you'll be more likely to pass up on the garbage and get a decent car...all the while learning about them.

And, when your son matures a little more, and has a little more money, I've heard from some on here that you can do some pretty good things to those I6's. Good luck and if/when you decide on a stang....please share with us all
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