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Old 07-10-2006, 08:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just happened to be in the right place at the right time today doing a good deed and it paid off big time!! The guy I was doing the good dead for does boat repair and got a call from a guy while I was there. Seems he has an old late sixties ChrisCraft that he wants the guy I’m with to rebuild a carb for him. His boat has two engines and he just needs one of the to run good enough (after sitting heated for 2 years) so he can bring the boat about 25 miles away to be lifted out of the water to be fitted with new modern engines. And he wants to get rid of the old engines once the boat gets there. Says they are ford 427’s! Well of coarse we offer to go over and pick up the carb and look at the engines. Both run, both have about 800 hours on them from new, freshwater always and are of course complete and original. We bought both engines on the spot VERY cheap!

I just sat in the bottom of the boat starring at them for the longest time. They both have mallory dual pint dist and 1967 date codes but the engine tags say 1968. Yes they are cross-bolt mains. Yes the CC tags say Ford 427. Yes one of them is a reverse totation engine.

I’m still in shock!!

A couple of questions. What if anything must be done to a reverse rotation engine to use it in a car? What does the aluminum tag on these engines decode to say?

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Funny, I had the same luck about 9 years ago in New York and unfortunatley didn't have the money to buy them. Well, I guess my luck was a little different in that case. I still kick myself for not finding a way to come up with the money. Good luck with them
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A couple of questions. What if anything must be done to a reverse rotation engine to use it in a car? What does the aluminum tag on these engines decode to say?

For that engine you get a custom transmission with six reverse gears and one forward gear! :p

Seriously, congrats on the great find! good luck.
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Sweet, you luck dog..... Try these guys as they eat and sleep FE's http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/
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Nice find,

I think the only thing that needs to be changed is the cam and dist. gear, re-set the firing order, and go.

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This shot, with the screw-in plugs to the side oil gallery, is definitive: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Hemi/a1002.jpg

That boat must have sounded sweet at full throttle.
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I may be wrong but I seem to recall reading someplace that a lot of marine 427 blocks look like side oilers but aren't drilled for it. They are center oilers. You may want to research this more and get the right info.
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I tend to agree with the poster that suggested that the only parts required to reverse the rotation would be an automotive cam shaft and a "standard" distributor gear. The cam should take care of the valve sequence and the regular distributor gear takes care of keeping the distributor and oil pump rotation in the same direction as it does now (which should currently be exactly the same as that of the other engine). The other accessaries (water pump, alternator, starter, etc.) may need to be looked at for possible replacement. I have heard that the piston pin offset or other parts of a reverse rotation engine can be different; but I don't know about that aspect. Your marine transmissions are probably Velvet Drive hydraulic transmissions. IIRC, the internal pump orientation in those are changed for reverse rotation engines.

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Thanks for the info!! We bought the entire drive system so we will get EVERYTHING including the trannys and all fitings and externals. I was also told that the rear crank will be knurled in a different direction at the seal and if using this cracnk it WILL leak. But I was also told that the cranks in these 427's are standard 2U 390 cranks and nothing special. Can anyone confirm that?
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all the marine blocks I've seen are center oilers. most have standard cast cranks, junk 390 truck type heads, junk intakes, plain old 390 rods.....pretty much what you get is a 427 bore, cross bolted block.....and thats it.
not to hijack the thread but I was at a swapmeet in nashville a few years back, and I had a 428CJ block with me. a couple of guys walked up and started talking to me about the block and said thier boss had a NEW block in a ford crate under a bench and had told them to "get rid of it"..,,long story short...we went and looked(20 min away) and it was a 427 SOHC block. the previous owner of the shop had a raceboat at one time. scrounged around and found 2 steel cranks, 2 sets of lemans rods and SOHC pistons, all new........got everything for $450 cuz the guys had seen the price I had on the CJ block and said "you can still make a little money on it that way".....sold the block for $4500(made a call that night to a guy) $500 each for the cranks, $500/set for the rods and the pistons I gave him. OH and there was a set of cam covers that I kept, have them on the wall of the shop right now :p
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The heads are C7JE 6090A heads with the same bolt pattern and casting # as the 428CJ heads. Supposedly they are the same size valves with the exception of the exhaust ports which have a slight lip in them that can be machined out. The intake is pretty much a standard FE 4bbl with Carter 4157S carbs.

I also have a set of 63 427 heads and a 2X4 427 intake so I'm seriously thinking about putting one of the engines in my GT-500 clone and making a super Snake replica. I think the fact that the casting numbers are all from 1967 would be pretty cool in the 67 GT-500.
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Wow!! Great stuff, fordfe.com they can help with all your questions. Great group of guys!
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all the marine blocks I've seen are center oilers. most have standard cast cranks, junk 390 truck type heads, junk intakes, plain old 390 rods.....pretty much what you get is a 427 bore, cross bolted block.....and thats it.
Now that you mention it, this pic does merely show the cross-bolts, not the oil gallery plugs: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Hemi/a1002.jpg Here's a pic that shows the cross-bolts and the plugs:



Here's a pretty decent Mustangs & Ford article about the FE: http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/15999/
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Where are the oil galley plugs in that picture?? I don't know what they look like.
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I've been buying, selling and building FE's since I was 15 when my brother bought the first of our many FE powered cars(69 torino 428SCJ) and I grew up dealing with people like Mike Ulrey so I kinda know my stuff MOST of the time :p
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