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Old 05-09-2010, 11:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I recently read an article that said production year 1965 models started in March of 65, and anything before that was considered 64 1\2. The date code on mine reads Feb. 26, making it a 64 1\2 if I'm correct. Any help? I'm learning more about Mustangs as time goes by as this is my first vintage Mustang.
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Old 05-09-2010, 12:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There is a lot of information on this is you search.

General Points: Ford never called anything a 64 1/2, as all vehicles were titled as 1965 models. The "arbitrary" hobby cut off is the traditional plant shut down in August (1964) which, coincidentally, was the change over from generator to alternator, from 5 bolt to 6 bolt engines (D and F gone, C and A in there place), but it is NOT 100% all changes made on 1 day.

Fastbacks are 65 models. Your date code corresponds to Feb 1965, a solid "1965" model, not a 1964 1/2 model. Post the first few numbers of the VIN if you want confirmation from the board, ie, 5F09C321xxx

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If the article said 1965, it was probably a misprint as Mustang production started in March 1964 not 1965.
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im having pretty much same issue, where i have a 65 fastback built in september 15, of 1964. is this the same thing or different?
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As mentioned above, all '64.5 Mustangs were built and sold as '65s, with pre-August 1964 shutdown, generator-equipped cars informally considered 64.5s in retrospect. Your fastback is a '65. There were no '64.5 fastbacks built.
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Factory ordered my "64 1/2" vert (see sig pic) in early May 64. It was well known that a fastback (it was called a 2+2 when introduced) was rumored and would come later in the timeframe of normal new model introduction.

New model year cars have been introduced for as long as I can remember. Typically in the September time frame. In the 50s I lived in Indianapolis. The new model cars would typically be stored in fairground buildings before formal introduction. We used to ride our bikes to the fairgrounds and peek in the windows to sneak a peek at the new models.

To this day, it amazes me when an old car fan looks at the production date of their whatsit and thinks for example they have a rare 74 Granada. The door sticker says Sept 1974, must be a 74!

New car models are often brought out early to get a head start on the introduction. The 70 Maverick was introduced in April 1969. It was billed as the first 70s car at 60s prices.
By the way there are no "69 1/2" Mavericks!


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New car models are often brought out early to get a head start on the introduction. The 70 Maverick was introduced in April 1969. It was billed as the first 70s car at 60s prices.
By the way there are no "69 1/2" Mavericks!


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Hmmmm.... maybe they were titled as 70 Mavericks, I can't remember, but my wife's first car was a called a 69 Maverick by the Ford dealer, and by the parts guys, every time we went to get parts at the Ford dealer.. It had the ignition on the dash, instead of the steering column, as well as other trim differences.
This from a Maverick forum:
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April 17, 1969. Maverick introduced to the world.
New "Maverick" colors added, such as "Thanks Vermillion."
Suspension upgraded, bigger brakes & spindles.
Ignition moves from dash to column.

Early 1970 Mavericks, aka 69.5 Mavericks, were based on the 69 Ford Falcon. They used Falcon spindles, axles, and brakes. This proved to be very light-duty, and after dealers had problems aligning the early Mavericks, the suspension was redesigned and "beefed up" for the rest of 1970 and beyond.
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Hmmmm.... maybe they were titled as 70 Mavericks, I can't remember, but my wife's first car was a called a 69 Maverick by the Ford dealer, and by the parts guys, every time we went to get parts at the Ford dealer.. It had the ignition on the dash, instead of the steering column, as well as other trim differences.
This from a Maverick forum:
Maverick & Comet Year to Year Timeline
1969
April 17, 1969. Maverick introduced to the world.
New "Maverick" colors added, such as "Thanks Vermillion."
Suspension upgraded, bigger brakes & spindles.
Ignition moves from dash to column.

Early 1970 Mavericks, aka 69.5 Mavericks, were based on the 69 Ford Falcon. They used Falcon spindles, axles, and brakes. This proved to be very light-duty, and after dealers had problems aligning the early Mavericks, the suspension was redesigned and "beefed up" for the rest of 1970 and beyond.
Yup I had a 70 Mav, it was a beauty. The Ford dealer called my so called 64 1/2 Mustang a 64. The model year is determined by the VIN. No Mustang VINs start with 4. Mavs didn't start with a 9. The first ones started with 0.

Oh by the way. I fully understand what you say. The dealer I ordered my "64 1/2" vert from called it a 64. I filled out the registration of the car year 64. I still have that first registation it says 64. Back then the DMV wasn't connected by computer to the car makers. They filled out the title/registration how it was written in.


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Yup I had a 70 Mav, it was a beauty. The Ford dealer called my so called 64 1/2 Mustang a 64. The model year is determined by the VIN. No Mustang VINs start with 4. Mavs didn't start with a 9. The first ones started with 0.

Oh by the way. I fully understand what you say. The dealer I ordered my "64 1/2" vert from called it a 64. I filled out the registration of the car year 64. I still have that first registation it says 64. Back then the DMV wasn't connected by computer to the car makers. They filled out the title/registration how it was written in.


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so your saying that there were no true 1964 mustangs, if so that would explain the overhanging confusion on the topic. ive heard old man over old man argue over the subject of the 64.5 and how to define it. mine isnt a spectacular array of parts, sports the 289goldtop motor and 4barrel carb, a cruiseomatic trans. the body is straight and the numbers match tip to tail, on a late 1964 sell date. id see anyone with something close to that to have a rare horse these days.

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The Fastback "2+2" was introduced to the pubic September 25 1964. Fastbacks should not have been sold before then. Were any sold before then?, Id really love to see a invoice.
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The Fastback "2+2" was introduced to the pubic September 25 1964. Fastbacks should not have been sold before then. Were any sold before then?, Id really love to see a invoice.
hmmm i have the invoice gotta track it down, but the handbook is signed with its information from the transaction, so its the "registered owner plan, and is dated 10-30 64. ive never noticed that detail before, grandfathers signature and the dealership and dealers name. kinda cool to have, so it was made the 15th and sold about a month later right off the showroom floor. he said the only reason he bought it is because his friend at the dealership said hed give him a deal on the only one they had and let him skip the waiting list.
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Correct, there were no true 1964 Mustangs (or 1964.5, for that matter). They were all sold as 1965s and VIN'ed as 1965s.

As described above, early 1965 cars do have some differences from later cars which years later led collectors to label them as 1964.5, something that Ford never did. Those differences disappeared at various times during the first few months' production, with the most noticeable (generators and F, D, and U engine codes) changing over after late August 1964. Late August is traditionally the time when the plants switch over to the next years' production. Fastbacks were not produced until production restarted in September.
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im having pretty much same issue, where i have a 65 fastback built in september 15, of 1964. is this the same thing or different?
My fastback was built Sept 14, 1964. It's a '65 not a 64.5. 64.5 cars where built prior to Aug ?, 1964 and have very specific differences (hood, generator, horns, etc.. many)

Congrats on a very early fastback though!
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My fastback was built Sept 14, 1964. It's a '65 not a 64.5. 64.5 cars where built prior to Aug ?, 1964 and have very specific differences (hood, generator, horns, etc.. many)

Congrats on a very early fastback though!
thanks sir, i just took her for some go juice and a milkshake.
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The Mustang Recognition Guide sets Aug. 15 (Friday) as the last of 64 production. As was stated, there were a lot of running changes just prior to that date, so there are no set specifcally different cars from Fri to Sat. Mine is Aug 13th, has the ALT, "C" code, all the 64 sheet metal, heater switch, etc., like 64's but wiring is 65. Can be fun when you're trying to find parts!
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