Check out this fraud listing

[jadeezra]

1965 1966 Mustang fastback project Shelby clone GT 65 66 | eBay


Don't you just love the question at the bottom? I believe it should be any pure mustang lovers duty to report this ebay listing. He's clearly not trying to sell a coupe/fastback conversion but a full blown rebody. What a crock of bull*hi*



I mean how would you like to spend your hard earned 25-30 k on a restored fastback and actually be buying a damn coupe?

[Black65]

Sorry, I just don't see any questions.

[rickgto]

"Don't you just love the question at the bottom? I believe it should be any pure mustang lovers duty to report this ebay listing."

About the title? Are you asking us to do so or did you?

[Greg'66 5.0]

There's a question at the bottom of the ad where someone asked if they get the door tag and title for the fastback. My guess is someone wanted to know so they could pull a "switcheroo" on the coupe by putting the fastback numbers on it & then use the fastback title as the actual title for the car. Not honest at all, but those kind of people are out there and wouldn't hesitate to pull some underhanded scheme like that in pursuit of the almighty dollar. I think any reasonable perosn would agree that converting a coupe to a fastback and then slapping the fastback numbers on it does not make the car a "legal" fastback and that use of the title from the other car is nothing but fraud.

[buflash]

The door tag and title are kinda useless without the proper VIN stampings. It's kind of hard, albeit not impossible, to put new VIN stampings on the inner fenders. An educated buyer would probably spot these things if the car is ever resold by whoever completed the "project".

[tooponies]

I think people will be bidding on the parts and not the fact that they will be getting what they need to build a fastback.

[bartl]

You want to be careful of what you accuse someone of, especially in print and on the Internet. The person is doing nothing illegal. They are selling component parts, a non-Federal warranty tag and a Certificate of Title. Vendors at flea markets for antique cars have been selling titles and other documents for years. What the buyers do with them is for their own conscience.

Should the buyer choose to make a 2+2 from a coupe, re-stamp the fender aprons with the VIN from the door tag and forge ownership using the title certificate THEN there is the illegal act. It's no different than if you sold someone a gun and they shot somebody with it - did you do anything wrong?

[Stevea]

Originally Posted by bartl

You want to be careful of what you accuse someone of, especially in print and on the Internet. The person is doing nothing illegal. They are selling component parts, a non-Federal warranty tag and a Certificate of Title. Vendors at flea markets for antique cars have been selling titles and other documents for years. What the buyers do with them is for their own conscience.

Should the buyer choose to make a 2+2 from a coupe, re-stamp the fender aprons with the VIN from the door tag and forge ownership using the title certificate THEN there is the illegal act. It's no different than if you sold someone a gun and they shot somebody with it - did you do anything wrong?

Exactly!

[EP429]

I got a chuckle out of this -

It includes all the specific fastback only parts to convert a coupe into a convertible.

[jadeezra]

Originally Posted by bartl

You want to be careful of what you accuse someone of, especially in print and on the Internet. The person is doing nothing illegal. They are selling component parts, a non-Federal warranty tag and a Certificate of Title. Vendors at flea markets for antique cars have been selling titles and other documents for years. What the buyers do with them is for their own conscience.

Should the buyer choose to make a 2+2 from a coupe, re-stamp the fender aprons with the VIN from the door tag and forge ownership using the title certificate THEN there is the illegal act. It's no different than if you sold someone a gun and they shot somebody with it - did you do anything wrong?

Um yeah,..... Kinda funny that I hit the report the listing button and ebay said it had already had complaints on file and would review the listing. Sorry I really dont think people should be including a title and door tag either by themselves or with a roof when selling on ebay or craigslist for that matter. Too each their own I guess. But to the person who said anybody should know about the apron vins I suppose your right. But lots of people dont know about the apron vins. I went and looked at an old convertible a guy had since 1975 last weekend. The door was stuck shut so I checked out the vin on the apron. The guy was in disbelief that I could tell what 289 engine it had by looking at the apron.

[jadeezra]

Originally Posted by Stevea

Exactly!

Sorry thats a complete different thing. Bad comparison to say the least. You can hunt, target practice or just stick the gun in your private collection. What are you going to do with a title and door tag? BTW I've had cops run out of state cars only using that "non legal" warranty tag you're talking about. So if a cop doesnt know about the fender apron deal how the heck is the average joe supposed to know. I'm sorry these cars are a little different considering they dont have a dash stamp.

[jadeezra]

Let the guy try to sue me I stand by my statements.

[theman1990]

When i stopped by the Mustangs Unlimited store a couple weeks ago, they had JUST the title, door tag and fender VIN's for a 67 fastback GT for sale right there at the counter! This is no worse...

[Stevea]

Originally Posted by jadeezra

Sorry thats a complete different thing. Bad comparison to say the least. You can hunt, target practice or just stick the gun in your private collection. What are you going to do with a title and door tag? BTW I've had cops run out of state cars only using that "non legal" warranty tag you're talking about. So if a cop doesnt know about the fender apron deal how the heck is the average joe supposed to know. I'm sorry these cars are a little different considering they dont have a dash stamp.

I just don't believe in policing people. People have the right to sell them and as stated before, when someone does something wrong, then they should be in trouble.

First of all, he did not advertise the title and or the door tag in his ebay add. He was asked a question and he answered it. Secondly, the police should be up on this kind of thing, so ignorance on the police side or DMV's side is not the sellers fault. You can continue to make excuses for it being wrong, but until someone puts the fastback vin on the coupe and sells it as a fastback, nothing wrong has been done.

1965 1966 Mustang fastback project



"Up for auction are parts specific to a 1965, 1966 Mustang fastback. It includes all the specific fastback only parts to convert a coupe into a convertible. This auction is only for the fastback parts the rust free coupe is available if you do not have a coupe already. If interested in the coupe it will be available to the winning bidder. of the fastback parts, There is one picture of the underside of the coupe and I can send pictures of the coupe if needed. As far as the fastback goes as you can see its parts only and is very complete the molding for the back window, fold-down, trapdoor with hinges, very nice trunk lid with the correct hinges as well. I know this would be a huge undertaking but at the end of the day it would make a very neat project. Shipping will be the buyers responsibility by will help in anyway possible. If the winning bidder also buys the coupe shipping is relatively easy because we just put the parts inside of the coupe and let the roof section strapped to the top of the coupe. The fastback was a 1966 C code car. I have lot of pictures if you would like more please ask."

[jadeezra]

After reading through that again, I guess you're right. He didn't advertise the title and vin with the conversion parts. Only mentioned them when asked. I suppose that makes it much better. I would personally throw the title and original door tag away but hey thats me. I guess I should have been harsher on the guy with the comment.

I'm just against the fact that so many people out there try to build these fake cars. I mean yeah we know better.....We're obsessed, sitting here typing about them on the computer. But ALOT of people don't know nearly as much as us here on this forum to that regard. And yeah I couldnt believe the cops only used the door tag to run the cars. I knew they matched so I didn't say anything. I suppose I will change the subject line of this thread my bad.