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Old 05-15-2012, 01:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1965 Mustang Borgeson Power Steering Upgrade

Hey guys! I have decided to ditch the factory power steering on my 65 fastback and upgrade to the Borgeson PS unit. I am also adding power disc front brakes and a hydraulic clutch when I do the conversion, goodbye Zbar!

At least for now I plan to use the factory power steering pump. Has anyone done this conversion and used the original pump? I have read that there is no PS response below 800 RPM and was wondering if it was that noticable or if it is something that you get used to pretty quick.

Also, would love to hear from anyone who has road tested this new system, especially in comparison to the original power steering system. Thanks!

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Old 05-15-2012, 09:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You will notice little difference from a stock power unit over a Borgeson. It's still going to feel like driving an old car with the 16:1 ratio.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The car I just bought has that exact setup. Sadly it's 3000 miles away and two months from me driving it. Peter
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Pump Mounting
Borgeson Power Steering Pump Mounting Location

Steering Column
Shortening Steering Column??

Headers
Looking at JBA headers for 331

Opinions on Borgeson conversion
steering for 1965 Mustang - starting from scratch

’69 with 408
Borgeson Power steering with headers

Installation woes
Borgeson PS pain in the B***

Caster adjustment for steering “return to center”
Borgeson power steering conversion box

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so my car decided that it wanted a completely new P/S system...

Installation write-up and photos
Borgenson steering and headers

And, this is just from page# 1 of the search results.

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Old 05-15-2012, 01:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Search is your friend…

Pump Mounting
Borgeson Power Steering Pump Mounting Location

Steering Column
Shortening Steering Column??

Headers
Looking at JBA headers for 331

Opinions on Borgeson conversion
steering for 1965 Mustang - starting from scratch

’69 with 408
Borgeson Power steering with headers

Installation woes
Borgeson PS pain in the B***

Caster adjustment for steering “return to center”
Borgeson power steering conversion box

More opinions
so my car decided that it wanted a completely new P/S system...

Installation write-up and photos
Borgenson steering and headers

And, this is just from page# 1 of the search results.

Robert
Thank you for those links! I am still not getting a lot of details from people comparing the two but maybe more will come. To me, it should be a vast improvement over stock since you are doing away with the PS Ram and control valve. Those both cause slop slop slop.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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a while back i drove a mustang with the borgeson box. it had a good feel and no slop. i like 16:1. i had a 14:1 sweet box on my 66 wagon that had 3 turns l to l. another way to get ps is to install a servo from sweet that couples to the mustang steering box. i bought a setup including a custom ram about a year b 4 borgeson came out with their box. right now i plan on using the borgeson box. FPA has started making their mustang headers to fit the borgeson box.
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There are two versions of the kits, one is specifically meant as a gearbox upgrade, and is intended to use the stock Ford pump.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I have the Borgesen conversion in my 1968.
I have probably only driven it a 100 miles or so.
I am quite happy with the upgrade.
It was a noticeable difference for me on my car.
I had the old power cylinder and control valve rebuilt a few years back.
Thought of going that route again but eventually settled on the borgeson conversion.
I actually have the saginaw (?) pump instead of the ford unit.

My only real complaint is it the steering wheel not returning to center.
I believe (have heard) this might be resolved with different alignment specs.
I will probably find out this summer when I have the car aligned again.

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Old 05-16-2012, 01:32 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Just installed it on my '69. Love it! Not happy that I had to refab the steering lines because they were short. I did use their pump, so I can't comment on the stock pump.

Compared to the stock p/s...night vs. day. Absolutely no free play and no vagueness as to where center is. I put the road feel in the middle between the stock system and the tightness of a modern p/s car.
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Default Thank you for the responses!

Your responses are very helpful for me and I am sure others who have been thinking of doing this conversion. I will also post to this thread after I finish the conversion in a few weeks.
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There are two versions of the kits, one is specifically meant as a gearbox upgrade, and is intended to use the stock Ford pump.

Yes.... and I purchased the kit that did not come with the pump, it was listed as an upgrade to the factory power steering. It comes with the new center link. I am assuming that I will be able to change the pump later if I wish, but I guess I will need a different set of hoses than what it came with
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:31 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have the Borgesen conversion in my 1968.
I have probably only driven it a 100 miles or so.
I am quite happy with the upgrade.
It was a noticeable difference for me on my car.
I had the old power cylinder and control valve rebuilt a few years back.
Thought of going that route again but eventually settled on the borgeson conversion.
I actually have the saginaw (?) pump instead of the ford unit.

My only real complaint is it the steering wheel not returning to center.
I believe (have heard) this might be resolved with different alignment specs.
I will probably find out this summer when I have the car aligned again.

RME

Very helpful, thanks for posting this Yes I have read about the steering wheel not returning to center....hoping a caster adjustment will resolve that...
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Just installed it on my '69. Love it! Not happy that I had to refab the steering lines because they were short. I did use their pump, so I can't comment on the stock pump.

Compared to the stock p/s...night vs. day. Absolutely no free play and no vagueness as to where center is. I put the road feel in the middle between the stock system and the tightness of a modern p/s car.
Well, if I can get an end result of halfway between the factory steering and modern steering I will be happy. I am not trying to get it to the point that I can drive around cones in a parking lot at 30 mph, just want to get rid of the floating, road walk above 50 mph :O Thanks for posting!
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