Finally..... gonna start watching the C4 Bad Shoes dvd tonight

[Caper50]

what would be a good size drill press to get.

I waited for a 2nd hand floor model 15 inch. It was in like new condition for $100.

[wareagle]

Originally Posted by Caper50

I waited for a 2nd hand floor model 15 inch. It was in like new condition for $100.

Dang... Where did you get it?

[Caper50]

Kijiji, which is ebay classified's south of the border. There's a lot of retired folks buying this type of equipment and rarely using it.

[gwstang]

Good luck. I have done 2 AOD's with his video (one is in the '66) and they both worked great! I think the valve bodies were the hardest part for me...well other than the aod is one heavy sumbitch.

[gwstang]

Originally Posted by GypsyR

The equivalent kit for an AOD runs like $150. Plus the not-included mandatory reverse servos and a band which add another $50.
The sticker is you can't rebuild and AOD without a "seal installer protector" kit. Which runs like $170 last I checked. Kind of rough for tools you will probably only use once unless you can borrow a set from somebody.

I got mine off of ebay (new) and they were around $80, but that was about 4 years ago.

[GypsyR]

No doubt worth shopping around for. I priced them at $170 at the same company that sold me a set for $100 a few years back.
If a small new bench drill press could be had for the same price as an ugly old (but big and working) floor mount, I'd go for the floor model every time. The cheapest little bench presses aren't worth a flip. At least not for long. Want one? Motor quit after very light use over two years. For some reason I just haven't bothered to unbolt it from the bench and toss it in the scrap pile. I wouldn't even think of trying to sell it to somebody. For 6-7 years it's been holding my small garage clock, is my "key rack", and also holds whatever manuals I'm currently keeping handy. Kinda used to used to it sitting there actually.
The only thing I don't like about my big (old) Craftsman drill press is that the table is the clamp style. I very much prefer the gear driven tables with a crank. Unclamping the table to wrestle it up and down to where you want and then reclamping it sucks. And probably a month after you buy whatever drill press you end up with you will find yourself wanting to drill something too big to fit in it. I think that rule applies to about any bigger shop type tool though.

[KarlJay]

Originally Posted by GypsyR

The equivalent kit for an AOD runs like $150. Plus the not-included mandatory reverse servos and a band which add another $50.
The sticker is you can't rebuild and AOD without a "seal installer protector" kit. Which runs like $170 last I checked. Kind of rough for tools you will probably only use once unless you can borrow a set from somebody.

I looked at a kit on ebay and it looks like a bunch of sleeves, I wonder if someone could use PVC pipe to do the same thing.

Looks like some can be found here: Automotive Specialty Tools - Ford AOD/ AOD-E/ AOD-EW (4R70W) - Page 2

I haven't see the videos in a while and don't remember the seal installer part (if it was covered or not) but DAMMM that's and expensive single use tool!

Does the DVD cover the use of this over-priced tool kit or have an alternative?

[GypsyR]

I haven't seen the videos but as far as I can tell there's no way around at least one of the seal installers. They slim don to an almost paper thin edge. So thin some of mine are showing some nasty wear. Ford changed things up a bit with the AODE/4R70W and you can easily get away without spec installers with those. I know an old trans builder who said back in the day he worked half a day trying to get just one of the AOD seals installed without the specific tool. He said it can be done but you need about six extra seals to replace he ones you screw up trying. He started building transmissions back in the 1950's. I took his word for it and bought the kit.

[bryancobb]

I cannot think for the life of me which seal you are talking about??

[GypsyR]

The intermediate piston where you have to get two lip seals in at the same time pops to mind first. Secondly the direct piston. IIRC the reverse piston you can finagle without the seal protector if you have to.

[wareagle]

So, for the past two nights I have attempted to watch the first dvd all the way thru... That fellers got quite the soothing voice, as I have fallen asleep both nights within about 15 minutes of it beginning....

[Israel]

Originally Posted by wareagle

So, for the past two nights I have attempted to watch the first dvd all the way thru... That fellers got quite the soothing voice, as I have fallen asleep both nights within about 15 minutes of it beginning....

Come on now,...I like him, very slow and easy to follow, actually takes you by the hand as much as he can by way of a DVD,...were you wanting Vince, the the Sham Wow guy to walk you through this rebuild?! Talk about wanting to strangle someone,....

Actually the C6 DVD is kinda dull also, its just so much more indepth than the 9", many more parts,..let him redeem himself by way of watching the 9" DVD!

[wareagle]

Originally Posted by Israel

Come on now,...I like him, very slow and easy to follow, actually takes you by the hand as much as he can by way of a DVD,...were you wanting Vince, the the Sham Wow guy to walk you through this rebuild?! Talk about wanting to strangle someone,....

Actually the C6 DVD is kinda dull also, its just so much more indepth than the 9", many more parts,..let him redeem himself by way of watching the 9" DVD!

Don't get me wrong.. This guy is awesome I cannot wait to post on the rebuild process once I get my hands dirty. It is just that his soothing, Canadian voice just puts me to sleep for some reason... Hell, my wife watched it for about an hour before I realized I was sleeping...

[gwstang]

Be prepared to get the laptop dirty as you will need it right by you in the build process. I covered my keyboard with some saran wrap when I was in the shop to help protect it some from dirty fingers etc. Also that mother is quite heavy. I stood mine up in a bucket during the disassemble stage because it still has nasty fluid ect. in it and as you tear it apart it will leak out on the floor. Have some kitty litter nearby to use also because that tranny fluid is slicker than owl shart. lol I used a couple of heavy bungee cords to help hold it in place in the bucket (tail side down of course). I also have one of those cheap harbor freight electric hoists to attach above to lift it as needed to put on the bench. Saves the back for sure. The one thing I wish that I would have done is to go ahead and get the new valve body from the guy at General Click Click Tech Everyone raves about his work and they are not expensive at all. The constant pressure vb will also keep you from worrying about the tv cable and line pressure settings. So many of these have been burned up from improper tv cable setting and not using a pressure gauge. The dvd shows you where to hook the gauge up for testing. Just a simple cheap oil gauge will work. I took the one off of my old Ford tractor to use during setup.

[gwstang]

Forgot to add that you can also get one of those constant pressure valve bodies from summitracing.com for around $200. or so.