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Old 04-19-2013, 03:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am just curious what people mean when they say "frame off" restoration? Mustangs don't have frames so why do people say this? This guy says his car was in such great shape he did a "Frame On" restoration but is there really any other type?

To bad he posts a youtube video with music playing. Don't get that either, you cannot even hear the car run over the music.

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Old 04-19-2013, 04:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It comes from non-Ford people, speaking about cars that have frames, and therefore Mustangs must also have frames. LOL (Same with "numbers matching.")
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Frame off restoration is something that happens to older chebies and pickup trucks
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Whenever people say that about a unibody car, I always assume they mean that the body was stripped of every removable part and each piece was restored/replaced before putting back on. I know that is not always the reality, but that is the ideal scenario I picture when someone says that.
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Someone should ask why he didn't do a frame-off resto and see what his response is.
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"Frame off" should mean a total, whole and complete restoration, since we have a unibody frame, attached frame, some refer to their restoration as a "frame on", to imply that the same amount of time, detail and completeness went into their unibody car as a framed car.
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Yeah, it's like ordering a water pump for a Beetle...

There's plenty-o-Fords out there with frames, but no Mustangs.. I always figure that if you're doing a Mustang "all-the-way", you've disassembled it to the point where nothing more can come off without a torch or saw.

Instead of "frame-off", it should be "everything-off" for unibodies...
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For a Mustang, or any other unibody car, "Rotisserie Restoration" would be comparable to a Frame-Off Restoration. Although, the Rotisserie Restoration term also gets thrown around all too often because all to often it's not.

Typically, someone will slap a few gallons of filler on a Mustang, squirt on some resale red and advertise it as "Rotisserie Restoration!!". Funny how you can often determine the level of fraud going on by the number of exclamation marks in the ad. I'm thinking they get this from gossip magazines who do the same thing.
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For a Mustang, or any other unibody car, "Rotisserie Restoration" would be comparable to a Frame-Off Restoration. Although, the Rotisserie Restoration term also gets thrown around all too often because all to often it's not.

Typically, someone will slap a few gallons of filler on a Mustang, squirt on some resale red and advertise it as "Rotisserie Restoration!!". Funny how you can often determine the level of fraud going on by the number of exclamation marks in the ad. I'm thinking they get this from gossip magazines who do the same thing.

BEST answer given yet Klutch,...many people may not know what a rosisserie is, but for those that do know, you have nailed it!!
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Back in the old days. Vehicles whether heavy truck, car or buggy were built on a chassis. The chassis had the springs, suspension, wheels, engine etc. Then the body was dropped on.

It's not a brand thing, it's a design thing. If you built a go cart or a lawn mower engine propelled car as a kid it probably went like this: Built a chassis with wheels, bolt the old lawn mower engine on the back. For a cool looking car you put on a body!

The 58 T-Bird and amazingly the 37 Zephyr (Lincoln) were unibody structure. Later the Mustang was unibody.

Can't do a frame off resto on a unibody. The body is the frame!

Most "modern" vehicles are unit construction. Crawl under your 2000+ vehicle and see if you can find the separate frame/chassis.


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Examples...

Galaxy, Fairlane, Thunderbird, Chevelle, Impala, GTO, pickup (except a Jeep Comanche); yes, you can do a "frame -off".

Mustang, Falcon, Camaro, Firebird, Nova: No, you cannot do a frame-off.
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Mustang, Falcon, Camaro, Firebird, Nova: No, you cannot do a frame-off.


OK, well maybe, kinda, sorta,....fire up that Plasma Cutter.
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Examples...

Galaxy, Fairlane, Thunderbird, Chevelle, Impala, GTO, pickup (except a Jeep Comanche); yes, you can do a "frame -off".

Mustang, Falcon, Camaro, Firebird, Nova: No, you cannot do a frame-off.
Maybe you should name years. The Fairlane/Torino for several years were unibody (come check out my 70 Torino GT vert), the Big Birds were unibody for several years as were Continentals.
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I thought of the term rotisserie, but in reality, a rotisserie isn't absolutely necessary to do the undercarriage of a car.. It just makes life ahellofalot easier...
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It comes from non-Ford people, speaking about cars that have frames, and therefore Mustangs must also have frames. LOL (Same with "numbers matching.")
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Just FYI there are such things as numbers matching mustangs. 68 on have thier vins stamped on the block (though in 68 it seems they missed some). Now as far as frame off, maybe they put it on a frame and removed it lol.
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