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I'm thinking of trading my Expedition this summer for an F-250. Possibly an F-350, but probably an F-250. Question: do I get the gas engine or the diesel? Problem: this will also be my daily driver. Though I like the towing power of the diesel, I will only be towing my Mustang 4 to 5 or maybe 6 times a year. Though they don't list the fuel mileage of these vehicles, would I be better off with the gas in the long run since I won't be towing that often? Or is there much of a difference in no-load mileage?

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I'm thinking of trading my Expedition this summer for an F-250. Possibly an F-350, but probably an F-250. Question: do I get the gas engine or the diesel? Problem: this will also be my daily driver. Though I like the towing power of the diesel, I will only be towing my Mustang 4 to 5 or maybe 6 times a year. Though they don't list the fuel mileage of these vehicles, would I be better off with the gas in the long run since I won't be towing that often? Or is there much of a difference in no-load mileage?
Funny I have been looking at the F-250 Diesel. My brother-in-law bought an F-250 Gas. The gas runs real nice and the loads he carries and pulls he hasn't had any issues. The biggest difference he said was the diesel he had (traded in) going up hills never revved. The gas does rev higher. The gas mileage he got with the diesel was about 8 to 10 miles per gallon. The gas he said is the same, just cheaper over the long run and the price tag is cheaper for the truck.
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90% of the 3/4 & 1 ton trucks around here are diesel- Ford, Dodge and Chevy. Most of the negatives of diesel engines no longer exist- noise and smoke.
8-10 mpg for a diesel sounds pretty low. I think they are closer to 20 mpg now. And it seems as though everybody says they get the same mileage- empty or towing a 10,000 lb trailer.
I've walked through the new truck lots at several Ford dealerships and the majority of them have sticker prices in the $60-$70K range. The guys and gals around here seem to love their F250 King Ranch Platinum Edition with all of the bells and whistles. A fully loaded F350 Dually King Ranch Platinum will give you enough change back from a $100,000 bill to eat at a nice steakhouse.
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Iíve owned both. My 2003 F250 v10 was a great truck but I could never get better than 10 mpg. I now have a 2001 F250 with a 7.3 diesel. I love the power of the diesel. I havenít checked the mileage but itís supposed to get about 17-19 mpg. Itís definately noisier. Theyíll both tow just fine. Youíll pay a few thousand more for the diesel. The resale on the diesel is definately better. If you daily drive it I think youíll regret getting a gas because of the poor fuel mileage. At 10 mpg for the gas, less for city driving assuming you have a 25 gallon tank you will be filling up every 240-250 miles. Thatís about $65 a fill up at todayís prices in NC. I thought I wanted the gas because it was cheaper but the poor fuel economy ate at me every time during my frequent fuel fill ups.

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Gotta figure the cost of oil changes and other maintenance is higher for the diesel as well. If you do youíre own maintenance then itís not so bad.

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I couldnít imagine that for a DD.
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I agree with Israel. Neither would be a good daily. Buy the one you like and then pick up a beater.
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I couldnít imagine that for a DD.
Me neither, unless its a newer one and my only vehicle. I had a 2005 F150 gas quad cab that I bought new and it was so quiet and smooth, very comfortable to travel in. It got about 18 mpg on the highway. I could have daily driven it. If you are talking comfort and room, a newer truck would be fine. If you are concerned about cost to own and drive then this would probably not not be a prudent choice. With 4 cars, insurance, taxes, maintenance and all of them use either premium or diesel, financially I would come out ahead if I was down to only one vehicle even if it got 10 mpg.

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Key questions: how many miles will you drive it annually ? Will you be towing on many steep grades ?

Mikes V10 example is a worst-case, they are known gas hogs. My 2000 7.4 K2500 does fine as a daily, but I don't drive in the city, or have cramped parking lots to deal with. I get 12.5 MPG combined, 13 Hwy, 10 towing. As mentioned, it handles grades fine, but you will be going slower than a diesel (I don't keep the pedal matted on a hill). The new gassers will get a few MPG more. The problem with the mileage argument, the $5,000+ premium for a diesel pays for lots of gas ! The payback is after 100,000 Miles or more. Yes, the engine will "last forever", but the rest of the truck falls apart at the same rate. diesel engine maintenance is a bit more expensive.

If the price isn't a deal breaker, test drive both and see how you feel ?

Edit: Don't know about newer trucks, but the 24 Gallon tank on my short bed does suck. Towing, you're looking for gas every 200 Miles !

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The extra initial cost of a diesel purchase vs. the extra fuel expense for gas was a tough one for me. It's a classic pay me now, pay me later scenario. I tow infrequently but still wanted the available tow capacity of a F250. The argument of the diesel outlasting the rest of the vehicle in my opinion is not as big a deal if you purchase a Southern vehicle where you don't have to worry about rust. My 2003 gas V10 came from Pennsylvania, once it started to rust I got rid of it. My 2001 7.3 diesel came from SC, no rust at all. I can tell you I feel like I have a much more durable truck now that I have a diesel.

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Don't the diesels require some type of fluid for emissions control? I see this stuff for sale in Sams club and someone told me it is required for new diesel trucks.

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Just my thoughts and experiences.

My recently acquired 2004 V10 Excursion gets 17 on the highway, and currently 8 in town. I have not towed with it yet but according to the guys on Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums I should get about 8mpg towing. I have the 3.73 gears and it is said I should be good with a trailer up to about 8K lbs. Above that and you need steeper gears, 4.33 or higher depending on load and tire size. Engine maintenance is super simple, just like our cars. This thing is built on a F250 frame so it does drive like a truck and yes, it is large. Its got a 40gal tank so can go a ways on the expressway when not towing. Gas is cheaper and there are more gas pumps at the stations. Guys on the Truck forums say that this V10 will rev higher to get the job done, and that is nothing to worry about.

Diesel is a good option when you need more power, torque, or just like diesel. They do get better gas mileage, but the diesel is currently more expensive. As mentioned, there is more maintenance required and that as well is more expensive.

I know how to work on my V10, but do not know much about Diesels. Guess that would change if I owned one. There are two diesel's on my street, and I know every time they start up, drive away, and return. My V10 is quieter than my Mustang.

I'm not much for the newer V6 Eco Boost in towing heavy loads (over 8k). I think they do better in town and do a good job towing lighter loads. My brother has a F150 V6 Eco he purchased new in 2011, but still states it has about the same power as the 4.8l he previously had. Gas mileage is slightly better though when not towing.

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Don't the diesels require some type of fluid for emissions control? I see this stuff for sale in Sams club and someone told me it is required for new diesel trucks.

diesel exhaust fluid. It's a urea-based solution the exhaust passes through to clean it out. Semi tractors use it but I'm not see if diesel pickup trucks do.


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Yes , regular diesel trucks also use DEF . Diesel exhaust fluid .

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