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Ford Edge panoramic roof sluggish to close

Wife's 2009 Edge has the huge vista roof thing, and it's sluggish for the last 10" of travel. Once I had her hold the button while I assisted it by hand when it refused to close. It's working now, but very slow to close.

I've looked it over and I'm guessing the rearward tracks are the problem because they are outside the car on the roof exposed to weather and crud even when the glass roof is closed. The track is enclosed more or less in a rubber gasket that's only has enough gap to allow the rear roof brackets to slide in them, but can never be weather tight. The front tracks look like they can use some lube but they are otherwise clean and they are inside the weather stripping so they don't get wet or dirty. The grease in the front tracks looks clear with a yellowish tint.

I'd like to spray some lube in the rear tracks, but don't want to put in something that might be incompatible with any lube that's now there. Owner's manual mentions nothing about maintaining the roof.

Lots of people seem to have problems with this roof, but nobody seems to know the solution.

Anybody see this before?

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I found a couple of things by "googl'ing". A few threads talk about re initializing the sun roof. I don't have one, and never tried it, but if you haven't tried it, may be worth a shot. Here's one thread I found that describes it.
How to Fix Ford Edge Sunroof Problem - Glass, Lenses, Lighting, Mirrors & Wipers - Ford Edge Forum

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I found a couple of things by "googl'ing". A few threads talk about re initializing the sun roof.
In addition to the sluggish roofs, there's also the issue with these roofs where they stop 8" short from being out of phase. A reinitialization will reset this. I did try this for s**ts and giggles, and no joy. Because the sluggish roof problem happens right about the 8" mark, they seem to be the same problem (particularly if the sluggish roof comes to a stop) but are not.

Today was warm, and the roof worked properly. It's more cranky when cold. In the bright sun I was able to get a look inside the rear tracks and they look clean, but don't seem to see any lube whatsoever. I don't know if there should be any, or if lube may block the drains. I was thinking about spraying some dry teflon spray into the channel and taking my chances.

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my wife drives a 2011 MKX (same basic SUV) and it is currently at the dealer getting the sun roof fixed for the exact same problem- fortunately for me its a warranty issue and I am not paying for it, my understanding is that it is the tracks that are the problem and they are replacing them. Apparantly it's a fairly big job as they will have the car for a few days (dropped it off Thursday and don't expect it back till Tuesday). A mecaninc was standning there when I dropped it off, and he acted like this is a fairly common problem with these cars.

I'll update you when I pick up the car and find out exactly what they had to do.



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what happened?

so what happened? about 2 years ago i took mine in and they lubed it, but curious about the rails
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Same problem

I have a 2008 ford edge limited with the vista roof and tonight it wouldn't shut. It's currently open 6-8 inches and won't budge past that before it jerks itself back again. I had this problem a couple of months ago in the summer after I had driven on dirt roads and just assumed the tracks were dirty and that was the problem. It closed the next morning after that. This time is different because the tracks are clean. I hope in the morning I'm able to shut it like I was able to last time, I'm a little nervous to try the re-initialization process I've read a lot about this past hour. Has any tried it and it worked?
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When my wife's roof refused to close, it seemed more like drag the motor couldn't overcome as opposed to it just stopping because the calibration was wrong. I tried the reinitialization process and it had no affect. I had her hold the button while I assisted it with my fingers to close the roof.

I ended up spraying a dry (aerosol) teflon spray into the rear tracks as I feared spraying anything with an oil or grease would attract and hold on to debris and ultimately make things worse.

I believe it's still slower than it was when we first got it, but it has been working since it was sprayed. I play to give it another dose of dry teflon:

Blaster 9.3 oz. Advanced Dry Lube with Teflon-16-TDL - The Home Depot

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Sun Roofs can be a high failure item as rain water will carry fine particles that pass around the seal then collect on the guide and cables. Over time the collection of dirt will build up and clog the drains exiting thru the "A" pillars causing expensive water damage repairs inside the car as well as a binding/ breaking the guides and cables. I would do what your doing possibly have a regular cleaning/lubing intervals. Once you price out the replacement you may want to make it a moon roof. Lol

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Not sure if this applies to the OP's car however it was my problem on a different make and model. The sliding hardware included plastic parts and over time the plastic became brittle and started to disintegrate, jamming the track and preventing the roof from closing properly. Once I diagnosed the issue I tried to locate "new" sliding hardware. No luck, NLA. I manually closed the sunroof, and disconnected the motor from the switch and never looked back. Not sure what the next owner did about it !

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Close the sunroof then pull the related fuse. It'll never stay open again, I promise.

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Wife's 2009 Edge has the huge vista roof thing, and it's sluggish for the last 10" of travel. Once I had her hold the button while I assisted it by hand when it refused to close. It's working now, but very slow to close.

I've looked it over and I'm guessing the rearward tracks are the problem because they are outside the car on the roof exposed to weather and crud even when the glass roof is closed. The track is enclosed more or less in a rubber gasket that's only has enough gap to allow the rear roof brackets to slide in them, but can never be weather tight. The front tracks look like they can use some lube but they are otherwise clean and they are inside the weather stripping so they don't get wet or dirty. The grease in the front tracks looks clear with a yellowish tint.

I'd like to spray some lube in the rear tracks, but don't want to put in something that might be incompatible with any lube that's now there. Owner's manual mentions nothing about maintaining the roof.

Lots of people seem to have problems with this roof, but nobody seems to know the solution.

Anybody see this before?

John
I have a 2010 Ford Edge with the Vista Roof. We used it probably 25 times then it started having trouble closing. It got so bad we decided not to try and open it, but we keep using the rear tilt controlled with the left button, then that started having problems. I tried putting pressure on it trying to help it tilt open, thinking it was a weak motor that was causing the problems. I started to notice that the shade was not closing fully when I tried to close it. I had the shade open all the way trying to get the rear tilt to open, but it was not opening. I decided to push and hold the right button that is used to open the vista room. I held it in and didn't let off, I could see and hear it trying to do something and after a minute or so then the shade started to close, I kept the right button held in until after the shade fully closed. It actually closed all the way where it was about a 1/4'' from fully closed before. So I hit the left button, and the shade opened and the rear of the vista roof tilted open on its own. I hit the left button to close it and it did. I then hit the right button to open and it worked. I had not had it open in years, waiting for a recall. I am going to work on cleaning and lubing the tracks because I am sure it is dirty and dry. Please let me know if this helps anyone, because I thought for sure it was a motor that was too small to open and close the heavy roof glass, because it was moving slower and slower before not moving at all. Holding the right button in must teach it home position.
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I have a Jeep Liberty with the Sky Slider roof, and it's been a problem child. I don't even use it anymore because it's out of warranty and the last time I took it in to get it adjusted, it took almost 2 months to get it back. And they managed to break it while they had were doing testing on it. Nice idea, lousy production. It's the one thing that keeps making me want to trade this for something else, because the wind noise on the highway can be really bad. Fortunately the stereo drowns it out most of the time, unless I have passengers.
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my wife drives a 2011 MKX (same basic SUV) and it is currently at the dealer getting the sun roof fixed for the exact same problem- fortunately for me its a warranty issue and I am not paying for it, my understanding is that it is the tracks that are the problem and they are replacing them. Apparantly it's a fairly big job as they will have the car for a few days (dropped it off Thursday and don't expect it back till Tuesday). A mecaninc was standning there when I dropped it off, and he acted like this is a fairly common problem with these cars.

I'll update you when I pick up the car and find out exactly what they had to do.
How did this turn out? I’ve had my 2011 MKT looked at by the dealer multiple times because it was closing slow and was told they could find nothing wrong with it. That was done while it was still under warranty. Now it’s out of warranty and it completely stopped closing last week! I dropped it off at the dealership to get an estimate to fix it. They said the track is warped, but the dealership can’t fix it They gave me an estimate from an outside company of $7,600! I’m furious and at a loss of words right now.
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How did this turn out? I’ve had my 2011 MKT looked at by the dealer multiple times because it was closing slow and was told they could find nothing wrong with it. That was done while it was still under warranty. Now it’s out of warranty and it completely stopped closing last week!

If you have the documentation that you complained about it and the dealer was unable to effect repair, then you can actually sue either in small claims court. You could have filed a Lemon Law case but that might be out of the statutes of limitations (although I'm not sure about that. You can check with your state).

As far as a recall, there won't be. Unless it can be somehow identified as a safety issue, there will never be a recall. Ford's official policy is that any design problems will be absorbed by the saps that buy them.

Look, I like Ford cars. I think they are very well finished with excellent NVH control and are day to day reliable. But Ford manages to make at least one major boo-boo (the Edge/MKT has three) in every vehicle.

My advice to anyone who plans to buy a new Ford is to either lease it or buy it with a bumper to bumper warranty and get rid of it at the end of the lease or the end of the warranty.

Period.

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