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Coyote - Now I get it

I rent a lot of cars and its pretty easy to talk my way into a V6 Mustang upgrade but this last time in San Francisco I got a 2017 GT with a 5.0 what I assume to be a Coyote motor, the Voodoos are only GT350 right? I had to drive all over Sonoma County then down to Monterey for a conference. WOW, is all I can say for a 5 litre out of the factory with that much punch. I had a blast. I'm not quite sure I like the IRS in the back or have yet to figure out how to drive it. When I drive it like Old Blue, it ends up sideways and I could really tell the car is much heavier. Its fun for a stock car to be cool when you hit the starter, every passenger I had grinned and said Wow when it fired up. I was kinda sorry to turn it in...

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They are very nice cars. I'm waiting for the 18's to hit used lots so I can get one. Figure having both a '68 and an '18 would be nifty.
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Did you drive it like the locals ?
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I assume that everybody knows that rental cars have "Flight Data Recorders" installed and the rental company knows everything you did while driving their car.
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If that's the case, when my wife rented me a Hertz Shelby convertible in Charlotte, NC several years ago I'm surprised they didn't charge us double.

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I assume that everybody knows that rental cars have "Flight Data Recorders" installed and the rental company knows everything you did while driving their car.
We'll, in the corporate pilot world, abusing rental cars is a favorite past time, and I've seen some pretty uncalled for behavior, in the way of rental car fun. Not one single time has anything ever been said.



The coyote motor is amazing. If the swap wasn't such a pain, I'd do it instead of the Dart based motor I'm building.
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...I got a 2017 GT with a 5.0 what I assume to be a Coyote motor, the Voodoos are only GT350 right?
Correct. Coyote was the Ford code name back in 2009-ish
during development. The motor debuted in 2011 and output
right around 400-ish HP using 11:1 compression. The F-150
5.0L motor is identical except for camshafts and 10.5:1
compression that favors torque and reduces the chances
of detonation while towing in hot weather.

As always, subtle improvements have occurred since 2011.
The biggest change is to the computer tune which pushes
output to about 440-ish HP with premium. However, all
Coyotes have aluminum blocks, internally balanced, forged
steel cranks, cross-bolted mains, cam phasing on intake
and exhaust, and spin to 7K with no problem.

The "Voodoo" Shelby 5.2L GT350 engine is very different,
athough it is technically a variant of the original Coyote.
I won't go into all the details, but it's a racing beast.
The Voodoo runs 12.5:1 compression, spins to 8.5K,
and outputs 580-ish HP.

Ford refuses to sell a Voodoo motor except in a Shelby.
They're keeping tight reigns on warranty motors. However,
Ford Racing released the A52XL crate motor which is
practically identical to the Voodoo except for 12:1
compression and a traditional cross-plane crank. Both
changes are better for a street hot-rod in my opinion.

Finally, the 2018 Coyote is supposed to include many of
the latest changes as the Voodoo and A52XS motors (plasma
lined cylinders, higher compression, etc). Better yet,
Ford is finally using Direct Injection in the Coyote and
increasing compression to 12:1. The rumored output will be
460 HP. Pretty awesome for a 5.0L production engine with
no forced induction.
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Yeah, the new 2018 Mustang GT is a beast. Here is a video from LMR.com:

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Their off the lot, bone stock 2018 GT with an automatic ran a 12.02 sec @ 117mph (1.9 60 ft). Thats pretty much the same as the 2017 Shebly GT350. Although the GT350 mill really isn't designed for 1/4 mile.

In order to lay those times, I'll bet that engine is just a tick away from 500hp at the flywheel (vs what Ford is saying).

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Even my 2014 F150 4WD Crew cab is pretty quick. I can only imagine even in the same engine tune what it would be like in something over a ton lighter. I had a F250 with a 460 and this feels every bit of the 460 except it gets double or more fuel mileage.
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We'll, in the corporate pilot world, abusing rental cars is a favorite past time, and I've seen some pretty uncalled for behavior, in the way of rental car fun. Not one single time has anything ever been said.



The coyote motor is amazing. If the swap wasn't such a pain, I'd do it instead of the Dart based motor I'm building.
As long as there are no "weight on wheels" sensors - I think I'm ok ;o) My bet is they only use them if there is an incident, "The wheel just fell off - it wasn't my fault"...

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The rental companies may not say anything until, as dobrostang says, there is an incident or accident and then they will have the data to sue you for abusing their car. I imagine they keep a file on each customer and if they notice you have a tendency to drive their Mustang GTs in an aggressive manner then one day when you approach their counter at the airport and request a Mustang GT they will tell you, I'm sorry but we only have wimpy Camaros available today!
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I use to work at the World Headquarters of Hertz and sometimes had to go to Port Newark where they would service cars. There would be a whole parking lot filled with trashed cars. The cars that they would sell to the public on the other hand were the cream of the crop that had never been wrecked or abused. Every single service record was available and they had regular service as all the fleet did.

I actually got someone here on the VMF a 06 GT350H rental. The only modification done to the engine besides a serial number was a cold air kit. The tune was the same.

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I can't wait for my swap to be up and running.
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Got a GT mustang rental last year and was very impressed. It was loads of fun on some twisty back roads.
I was most impressed with the transmission. Being a rental it was of course an automatic but I was pleasantly surprised with the sport mode.
It felt very similar to a manual except with no clutch and paddle shifters.
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I have a race red 2014 GT and its fun to drive. I have the 6 speed manual and can easily chirp the tires while shifting and sliding sideways is the norm. While the 2018's are growing on me I still like the retro styling my 2014 provides and it still has a straight rear axle to boot. The Coyote motor is awesome. Imagine what it would do if they would have built a 6.0 version of it.
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