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My name is Thomas, owning a red 1967 coupe. Just got the car delivered from Florida last year. Got the car from GatewayClassicCars in Fort Lauderdale, but must say that GatewayClassicCars during the sales of my vehicle acted in a very bad, from my point of view fraudly, criminal way! I only can alert people to be very carefully when buying a car from GatewayClassicCars!



1.) The sales guy from GatewayClassicCars had no idea about what the VIN means, he was telling plenty of wrong things, also he stated that the engine would be original, even if I could prove with a VIN decoder that he was wrong. The VIN did show 6 cylinder, but there was a V8 in the car.



2.) The window sticker from GatewayClassicCars did say that the car has been completely restored, but later after removing all the floor mats and underlayment, it turned out surprisingly that the floor panel was extremely rosty, lots of rusty holes - requires replacement. Same with the lower quarter panel / trunk and with the cowl vents. What they mean with ‚completely restored‘, I don‘t know. But how can you state ‚completely restored‘ on a window sticker if it is definitely not restored?



Approached GatewayClassicCars again and asked for feedback, but just got arrogant emails with a reference to their terms & conditions - stating that GatewayClassicCars is not even responsible to what their salesman says and what is provided on the window sticker.



Have other members similar bad experience with GatewayClassicCars?
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I get the impression that you and GCC are having a disagreement about something and you told them that you are going to post negative comments all over the internet.
Did you research their reputation before you decided to deal with them?
Did you personally inspect the car or hire a professional to inspect it for you before buying? I suspect you are not in the US?

I know nothing about GCC and have no dog in this fight.
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Yes, I‘m not in the US. Inspected the car with some friends, but in the GatewayClassicCars‘ showroom we could not remove all seats and floor mats to inspect the floor panel fully in detail, also could not lift the car and check the car in detail from below. Somehow trusted the window sticker and the statement ‚completely restored‘. From where I come, if you put something on a window sticker / in a sales offer which is absolutely wrong, this would be considered as fraud - like GatewayClassicCars did.










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Yes by all means post everywhere that that business is not honest!
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The horror stories on this forum from guys who have bought "Complete Restoration" cars will astound you. Obviously, depending upon the seller's definition, a complete restoration can be anything from a couple of cans of spray paint to what I and most other people define as a complete restoration.
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The horror stories on this forum from guys who have bought "Complete Restoration" cars will astound you. Obviously, depending upon the seller's definition, a complete restoration can be anything from a couple of cans of spray paint to what I and most other people define as a complete restoration.
Complete to me means complete. We can debate about the quality of a restoration, but if you put ‚complete restoration‘ on a window sticker, think this should mean something serious.
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Tell your story on their facebook page. Social media reaches a much wider audience. Make sure that others can Share your post. Maybe then they may want to deal with you in some manner.
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Tell your story on their facebook page. Social media reaches a much wider audience. Make sure that others can Share your post. Maybe then they may want to deal with you in some manner.


GatewayClassicCars is blocking negative comments on their FB page, even blocking users. Thus, GCC has blocked me on FB ... that‘s how they do business.

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2.) The window sticker from GatewayClassicCars did say that the car has been completely restored, but later after removing all the floor mats and underlayment, it turned out surprisingly that the floor panel was extremely rosty, lots of rusty holes - requires replacement. Same with the lower quarter panel / trunk and with the cowl vents. What they mean with ‚completely restored‘, I don‘t know. But how can you state ‚completely restored‘ on a window sticker if it is definitely not restored?


When? IE- how long ago? No offense, but technically speaking if it was 'completely restored' in the 80's, then driven year round in harsh conditions (Iowa for one), they wouldn't be lying, right?


1.) The sales guy from GatewayClassicCars had no idea about what the VIN means, he was telling plenty of wrong things, also he stated that the engine would be original, even if I could prove with a VIN decoder that he was wrong. The VIN did show 6 cylinder, but there was a V8 in the car.


Again- No offense.... but you still bought the car after this?
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When? IE- how long ago? No offense, but technically speaking if it was 'completely restored' in the 80's, then driven year round in harsh conditions (Iowa for one), they wouldn't be lying, right?

The sales guy (Joshua Becker) from GCC told it has been restored RECENTLY.
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I’d start with contacting them directly in a calm, professional manner to discuss the issues.

Maybe contact the BBB to see what you’re getting into also,.....


Did you discuss the scope and date of the restoration?

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The sales guy (Joshua Becker) from GCC told it has been restored RECENTLY.

Definitely seeing a pattern here.... Wrong answers, vague and incorrect descriptions, no liability for their salesman... sorry brother, but the flags were all there. Hopefully you can get some resolve from them.
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You just learned a costly lesson we all have at sometime. Gateway has a large ebay business with a very poor rating adds state you can do a full inspection. When you buy any used car it's going to be as-is regardless of what any sales person says it needs to be in writing. Once you pay the money & sign the papers it's yours even if it won't start to drive it off the lot.

If a dealer or person won't allow a full inspection that's enough to walk away. Even if you bought this at Barrett Jackson once it's signed for it's yours but they do a full inspection before accepting any car for auction.

'I've carried an awl in my pocket for the purpose of checking for rotten floor pans when nobody's looking I stab several spots that are known to rot out even underneath on fender wells, their not happy to see rust on the floor & I've been threatened with suits for it & thrown out of the showroom. I just tell them it's their rust bucket clean up the mess or I'll counter suit for false advertising.

Good luck with your restoration it looks like from what they are asking for cars you already have a lot invested. Will it be worth anything close after its restored?

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Definitely seeing a pattern here.... Wrong answers, vague and incorrect descriptions, no liability for their salesman... sorry brother, but the flags were all there. Hopefully you can get some resolve from them.
Not a chance in he-- he will see anything ever.


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Not a chance in he-- he will see anything ever.


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