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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-14-2018, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
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Our First Weekend Together

Hi all

Hope you're all having a great weekend so far. I said I'll start a fresh thread (will be quite the read so beware!).

I would like to start off by saying that I love this car, its such a pleasure to drive and is very comfortable and def a head turner! So car was originally in Dundee, Illinois where I bought it, had it checked out by a local Mustang specialist (Chris "the Doc" Ingrassia) he gave the thumbs up that its a clean car and a good buy and I got him and his team to handle some minor issues that the car had and to do some modifications before being shipped out across continents to me, in Bahrain (Middle East).

Here are some details:

Car Description:
1965 Ford Mustang Convertible (C Code)
Originally with a 289 V8 with 2 bbl carb.
Upgraded carburetor to 4bbl Edelbrock carb with electric choke in addition to other items as listed below.

Modifications done by Chris and his team:
Rear window replacement (from glass to plastic)
Radiator was replaced
Power Brakes installed
AM/FM/BT Radio installed (RetroSounds Longbeach)
Steering Wheel changed to wood grain
Console/Cupholders installed
AC Unit installed
Upgraded Carburetor
Fuel Tank Protector Shield installed

Obviously, as soon as you drive the car yourself, you notice other things that need attention.

So, car arrived on Thursday, after spending 45 days on a container ship and driving it all weekend, I noticed a few issues (hopefully all minor!):

(1) Car was dead when it arrived, wouldn't start at the port but they managed to jump it and put it on a truck and delivered to my home. Parked it inside my garage that was that. Later that evening, i decided to take it for a spin. Wouldn't crank. Lot of noise but no luck. Eventually that stopped and i would turn the key and there would be silence. Got jumper cables out and started her up and went out for a nice drive to recharge the battery. She behaved and I drove it normally all weekend and never gave trouble as the battery recharged from usage until one time, the car died completely while I was parked with the ignition on. The car would no longer fire up and when I tried to start it, there would be no sound at all. Dead. I jump started the car and drove but as soon as I turned on my headlights, the car would die (without headlights the car would drive normally but cannot start alone anymore).

I believe the battery is unable to hold charge (however car interior courtesy lights are functioning), could possibly be an issue with the alternator. I have added more electronics to the vehicle from AC system to new radio system so this may have placed more strain on the system.

(2) The throttle/gas pedal was sticking (jamming) sometimes (when open). So car can get stuck in acceleration. I applied WD40 which has improved this, however it has happened again since I did this. Could be an issue with throttle springs or linkage.

(3) The Fuel gauge is not accurate and only shows just over half tank when the tank itself is full. Temp gauge is always on cold even after a long drive and after being stuck in traffic. I think the fuel sending unit and line may need replacing or to install a Classic Instruments Fuel Link Interface which Im told works. Also, I'm going to have the temp gauge also checked to ensure it is functioning properly.

(4) Gauge lights at night are very dim and I cannot read them when driving at night. Either bulbs need to be changed to new ones or upgraded perhaps to LED.

(5) I have upgraded the brakes to power brakes however I still feel they are weak. Not sure if this is normal. I feel my foot has to go in a lot deeper than it should. Anyone have this issue?

(6) Noticed the vehicle did not come with a hazard light option as this was not a legal requirement in 1965. There are hazard light kits available and I'm considering adding this to the car for extra safety. Anyone done this?

I am also considering installing Magnaflow mufflers on the vehicle. Anyone have these? Any reviews would be great!

One question, the car gives off a strong gasoline smell. Stinks up my whole garage. Is this normal on these cars? Do you all have this same issue? If anyone has a solution, please see free to share!

This week she's going on a flatbed to my local tech to look into all the above points. I also want them to do an overall vehicle health check and ensure there are no leaks, check lines and connections etc... Hope everything checks out and hope the above issues are all minor and easily and quickly fixable so that I can get back on the horse (pun intended) ASAP!

P.S. Another big question here --- has anyone gone further and converted their rides to EFI? For those who have, is it worth it? I'm not a purist per se, but I do (for now) like having the car as it is and as it was "meant to be" in terms of the engine.

Well that's it from me, for now. Will update as I get on. Enjoy the rest of your weekend all.

JB
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Let's try this again... been trying to reply to you since this morning, but I keep getting an error message.

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Hi all

(1) Car was dead when it arrived, wouldn't start at the port but they managed to jump it and put it on a truck and delivered to my home. Parked it inside my garage that was that. Later that evening, i decided to take it for a spin. Wouldn't crank. Lot of noise but no luck. Eventually that stopped and i would turn the key and there would be silence. Got jumper cables out and started her up and went out for a nice drive to recharge the battery. She behaved and I drove it normally all weekend and never gave trouble as the battery recharged from usage until one time, the car died completely while I was parked with the ignition on. The car would no longer fire up and when I tried to start it, there would be no sound at all. Dead. I jump started the car and drove but as soon as I turned on my headlights, the car would die (without headlights the car would drive normally but cannot start alone anymore).

I believe the battery is unable to hold charge (however car interior courtesy lights are functioning), could possibly be an issue with the alternator. I have added more electronics to the vehicle from AC system to new radio system so this may have placed more strain on the system.
Sounds like the charging system. If it's out, the engine will run off the battery until it runs out of juice.

(2) The throttle/gas pedal was sticking (jamming) sometimes (when open). So car can get stuck in acceleration. I applied WD40 which has improved this, however it has happened again since I did this. Could be an issue with throttle springs or linkage.
Could be the cable sticking. Get a new one. Cheap and easy fix.

(3) The Fuel gauge is not accurate and only shows just over half tank when the tank itself is full. Temp gauge is always on cold even after a long drive and after being stuck in traffic. I think the fuel sending unit and line may need replacing or to install a Classic Instruments Fuel Link Interface which I’m told works. Also, I'm going to have the temp gauge also checked to ensure it is functioning properly.
If the car sat for a long time the sending unit is probably gummed up. If it is, the carb might be gummed up too.

(4) Gauge lights at night are very dim and I cannot read them when driving at night. Either bulbs need to be changed to new ones or upgraded perhaps to LED.
You might notice an improvement on this when you fix the charging system. Also, if you turn the headlight switch knob to the left and right, it changes the brightness of the the dash lights.

(5) I have upgraded the brakes to power brakes however I still feel they are weak. Not sure if this is normal. I feel my foot has to go in a lot deeper than it should. Anyone have this issue?
Sound like master cylinder to me.

(6) Noticed the vehicle did not come with a hazard light option as this was not a legal requirement in 1965. There are hazard light kits available and I'm considering adding this to the car for extra safety. Anyone done this?

I am also considering installing Magnaflow mufflers on the vehicle. Anyone have these? Any reviews would be great!

One question, the car gives off a strong gasoline smell. Stinks up my whole garage. Is this normal on these cars? Do you all have this same issue? If anyone has a solution, please see free to share!
This might be related to you gas sender unit issue. If things are gummed up gas will be exiting the carb wherever there's a leak. If it's a Holley 4bb, make sure the bowls are tightened and also the "O" rings on the tubes are good. There are rebuild kits available.

This week she's going on a flatbed to my local tech to look into all the above points. I also want them to do an overall vehicle health check and ensure there are no leaks, check lines and connections etc... Hope everything checks out and hope the above issues are all minor and easily and quickly fixable so that I can get back on the horse (pun intended) ASAP!

P.S. Another big question here --- has anyone gone further and converted their rides to EFI? For those who have, is it worth it? I'm not a purist per se, but I do (for now) like having the car as it is and as it was "meant to be" in terms of the engine.
Lots of people here have done that. I'm not one of them.

Well that's it from me, for now. Will update as I get on. Enjoy the rest of your weekend all.

JB
Good luck with the car. They're a blast!
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Hello, welcome to the forum, and congrats on your purchase! I'm glad that you like your car so much. Here's some thoughts on your questions:

#1: An easy way to check this would be to check what voltage your battery is sitting at when the car is turned off, versus when the car is turned on. If the battery voltage is good when off, but does not increase when on, then the problem is the alternator or the voltage regulator. If the battery tests bad, then, there's your problem!

#2: you may be missing a throttle return spring. If there is no spring to get your throttle to come back to 0, then it'll just stay there sometimes. Looks like this:



They sell them at basic auto parts stores, they aren't specific to the car - just make sure you get one that's short enough that it has some tension on the throttle rod when installed.

#3: If the fuel sending unit is aftermarket, there's a good chance that it has never read correctly. Sometimes you need to bend the arm to make sure that it is really touching the bottom of the tank (or close to it) at the bottom of its travel. You should also check the resistivity output, which should be 10 ohms at full and 73 ohms at empty IIRC (might have that backwards, but you'll see). If it's not putting out the right resistivity, then the gauge will not read right.

#4: Agree that fixing the charging system will help this issue, but the stock lights are just very dim. You can try taking the instrument cluster out and cleaning out the little plastic housing that covers the light that gives it its color -sometimes these just get full of dust so they mute the light a lot. But LEDs are a better conversion by far. Many Mustang parts warehouses sell the conversions, but I'm not sure what would be best for you in Bahrain.

#5: Power brakes will not stop you any faster than manual brakes - they only make the pedal easier to push. What power brake conversion did you use? Do you have disc brakes? What master cylinder are you using? Likely you have some mismatched parts in there and that is causing your poor stopping power.

#6: The hazard lights kit is always a good thing to install. You should also install LED taillights while you're at it, as the original taillights consist of a single dim bulb that is extremely difficult to see by today's standards.

#7: Is it a gas smell, or an exhaust smell? If the smell is raw gas, then likely some of your rubber lines are either leaking or have become porous. This happens when they get old or when someone uses non-ethanol fuel rated lines. Swap em out and the gas smell should go away. Now, if the car smells like exhaust... well, that's a bit of a tuning issue, and also a bit just how the car will smell after being driven.

#8: I've got EFI in my car. It is absolutely worth it for me, but my car is a daily driver that goes over a ton of elevation change in road trips. It will not improve your fuel mileage versus a carburetor. It will, however, handle large elevation changes much better, and will not require tuning like a carb after the initial tune is set. Additionally, it is easier to start, though that is primarily a function of using an electric fuel pump. If you've got a lot of extra cash sitting around and you want that kind of convenience, then go for it! Otherwise, leave it be.

Hope that helps!
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Thank you guys for your useful comments and advice which i have taken on board and will discuss with my tech here. Non specific parts are easy to come by, anything else I'll have to order online which isn't an issue.

Do you see anything potentially serious here that can be complicated and potentially over expensive to fix? Or are these fairly straightforward.

Will keep the thread updated with progress when she's taken to the tech this week.

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I'm not seeing anything serious. Biggest issue is how long the fuel has been sitting. If it's been sitting for too long (and I can't put a specific number on that) the fuel will begin to break down and cause damage to your fuel tank, sending unit, fuel lines, and carb.
These things are all readily available as far as parts and rebuild kits are concerned.
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Thanks all for the useful tips. Got her back before the weekend, they checked all connections and wires etc all good. Issues with the starting was the alternator was not connected properly but otherwise it's good. Just waiting on new tires to come now, then i can register her this week with the traffic dept hopefully. I'll take her back next month for the other items on the checklist. Please keep the useful tips and advice coming!

Some snaps taken today alongside my "Yellowbird".... Worlds apart but just as much character and fun. Enjoy!

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By the way, i want to install a muffler... I only have the 1 stock pipe on the right side (attached).

Any suggestions? I don't care for a full system or a dual exhaust, happy with just the 1 hidden one, but want to make it growl (not obnoxiously loud though). See pix.

Thanks! JB

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