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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 07-27-2018, 08:55 PM Thread Starter
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Power steering delete?

I just put a deposit on a Ď65 with power steering. I actually didnít want a PS, so my plan is to remove it.

Do I remember correctly that you can simply remove the PS pump, hoses, and ram, and effectively be left with a manual steering car with a 16:1 ratio?

I know the drag link would still be different, but I canít think why that would matter.

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You need the manual drag link to do away with the control valve. No hydraulic fluid youíll have a lot of play. The ball stud has cups with springs behind to allow deflection to route the oil to the ram.

On PS the left outer tie rod end is different then the manual only for clearance for the ram. Otherwise it performs exactly the same and no need to replace it. I reused mine on my 66.
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Buy and install a manual drag link for $100. remove all the PS stuff. Done! Thats what I did.
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Thanks guys,

Am I correct on the 16:1 ratio?

Is there any value in the OE stuff, or is it dumpster fodder?
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Thanks guys,

Am I correct on the 16:1 ratio?

Is there any value in the OE stuff, or is it dumpster fodder?
Give me a call Benny--We'll do a little trading.

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Is there any value in the OE stuff, or is it dumpster fodder?
HmmmÖ Last I heard the core charge on the 65-66 valve was over $200. So, unless you are into lighting cigars with $100 bills, yes.

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Ok, Iíll give you a call when the time comes.
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Ok, Iíll give you a call when the time comes.

Dan is the right guy to talk to. I got all my parts from him for my PS rebuild and you can call him if you run into problems.
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I will trade you all the manual steering parts for your p/s stuff including the steering box
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I will trade you all the manual steering parts for your p/s stuff including the steering box
Is there a difference in the steering boxes? I though PS cars and GTís had a 16:1 ratio, and standard manual steering cars had 19:1 ratios.

If I go manual, I would want to stick with the 16:1.
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You are correct,there is a difference and you got it correct. If you go manual with a p/s box it will take some muscle to steer the car at low speeds.I will trade you a manual box for your p/s box
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You are correct,there is a difference and you got it correct. If you go manual with a p/s box it will take some muscle to steer the car at low speeds.I will trade you a manual box for your p/s box
On my previous car, I had a 19:1 manual steering box, and Shelby quick steer arms. That took it from 5 turns lock-to-lock, down to just over 4 turns.

That should have made it similar to a 16:1 ratio box, and you are correct, it was pretty heavy in parking lots with 215 tires, but l hated the 19:1 steering box with standard arms.

So, I think Iíll be giving the 16:1 box a try with standard arms, and see how I like it.
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I sold my advertised as very used ps ďkitĒ for $300 on CL quick no haggle. Keep the 16:1 its been babied since the ram took all the stresses. Donít trade for a used 19:1. Replace the drag link or get a converter but DO NOT drive a ps car without the pump. Its dangerous.

If you are new to Mustangs and the ps is in good shape and doesnít leak, give it a chance. Theyíre great systems IMHO, raced mine for 20 years. Loved it bit it got old - waddya gonna do...

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I don't know if the 65-66 and the 67-68 style steering setups are the same, but one thing I found out when I was getting ready to delete my 67 PS is that the pitman arms were different as well. The PS pitman arm has a hole in each end while the MS pitman has a hole in one end and a stud on the other. I ended up keeping my PS, as I was removing it I discovered something I had messed up was the main source of my leaking but I also had to do a warranty return on my new control valve as it was leaking too. Now it's good to go, only problem is I now have a brand new roller idler arm for a manual car that I can't use.

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