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anytime you can increase the stiffness of the chassis, even in a small amount, it is a good thing. some people can feel small changes, some cant, but you cant fool the stopwatch.

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Yes, with a curved bar. I felt it would give me better distributor access.
Could you possibly post a picture. Would be interested in seeing how this all looks with the Thermactor stuff in place.
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Ginpunk - ...The original tower bracing was practically cosmetic, being far too flimsy to actually stiffen the front or provider stiffness between the towers. Measures that do add to handling improvement but that will still look factory would be the lowering of the upper control arm mountings (Shelby Drop), replacing the factory spring perches with roller bearing perches (a bit pricey), increasing the front sway bar diameter over what the factory had used and replacing the factory lower cross support bar with the newer webbed bar that also inter-connects with the Camber adjustment bolts (same design used later on the Boss cars). These measures considerably reduce the amount of front frame flex that all classic Mustangs have because they are basically a spiffied up falcon when it comes to the unibody-frame structure.
Forgive my naivety- I read your post and enjoyed the information you presented, but I am unfamiliar with the term "factory lower cross support bar". Do you mean the front crossmember? Or the radiator support/crossmember?

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I noticed I had a place to put nuts, bolts and tools while working under the hood!

I installed it when I restored my car so I don't know what it did by itself if anything.

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Could you possibly post a picture. Would be interested in seeing how this all looks with the Thermactor stuff in place.
Unfortunately all I have is a "before" picture and the engine is out now for a performance rebuild (aka..... that California stuff ain't goin back in). The curved bar does fit forward far enough that I had no interference with the thermactor hoses.
At the same time I added the curved Monte Carlo bar I also added the export brace and 1" front sway bar. What a difference, I went from barely able to make a normal turn, to cornering about as fast as I choose, with the main limitation now being the feeling of the rear wanting to break loose.
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Forgive my naivety- I read your post and enjoyed the information you presented, but I am unfamiliar with the term "factory lower cross support bar". Do you mean the front crossmember? Or the radiator support/crossmember?
he is talking about the bar that runs under the engine and ties the suspension together to minimize front end flexing, and he use the correct term for it.

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he is talking about the bar that runs under the engine and ties the suspension together to minimize front end flexing, and he use the correct term for it.
Do you happen do have a picture? I don't think mine has this, the only thing that runs under my engine is my front crossmember, drag link, and sway bar.

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he is talking about the bar that runs under the engine and ties the suspension together to minimize front end flexing, and he use the correct term for it.
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Do you happen do have a picture? I don't think mine has this, the only thing that runs under my engine is my front crossmember, drag link, and sway bar.
You both appear to be talking about the same part.


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When I did my drive-train upgrade work 2 years ago to my stock C Code '66 FB, I replaced/upgraded the following:

Installed a 1-piece export brace (the good one) & removed the factory export brace remnants.

Installed a STRAIGHT Monte Carlo bar (let's not start that debate again )

Performed the Arning drop

Installed Koni adjustables on all 4 corners

Removed the factory engine cross-member and replaced with a Z-member with jacking pad (highly recommend this upgrade)

The PO had already installed a 1 inch sway bar.

Alignment done to Arning drop specs as has been recommended here on the forum.

Now when I do some spirited driving, the front end no longer wonders and drifts. The feeling I have behind the wheel is that I am actually attached to the road and can put it into a corner without hesitation and know that it will stick there. (And it helps to have 100+ more HP - )

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The steering and handling definitely felt more responsive. The biggest difference I noticed was with the addition of the monte carlo bar.
This. The export brace was put on so long ago, I don't remember if I noticed anything, but when I did the Monte Carlo bar a couple years ago, that was noticeable immediately, just on a normal turn. And I wasn't really expecting a difference, I knew it would help with support and stuff, but really had no expectations for better turning.
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Just how much more enjoyable the car became.

I can almost drive over the broken/pot holes on the streets and freeways through out Los Angeles with out having the twisting to the left or right.

I no longer have to grip on the steering as hard as before
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First thing you noticed after you installed your export brace?
My hand was bleeding on my valve cover.
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Could you possibly post a picture. Would be interested in seeing how this all looks with the Thermactor stuff in place.
Clickable thumbnails from 2006, 3 years before the engine was pulled for a rebuild, so it should be very close to original configuration:

With respect to the original post, it just felt more solid and stable after installing the export brace. The MC bar was later.

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Do you happen do have a picture? I don't think mine has this, the only thing that runs under my engine is my front crossmember, drag link, and sway bar.
HmmmÖ I would not drive a Mustang without the crossmember.


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I have the export brace, straight Monte Carlo bar, Zrayís TA style cross member and torque boxes on my 66. I canít really say on the export brace and Monte bar as my car is in decent shape and I did them early on before really driving the car hard. What I can say is itís not what you notice but what you DONíT notice. Suddenly my car is a lot quieter, no more creaks and groans. Generally a tighter feeling.

A car that flexes is not going to perform to itís best and a detriment to the life of the car. Things like a export brace and straight Monte Carlo bar are easy to install as long as the car hadnít been seriously wrecked and a no brainer to do. I would recommend them to anyone who doesnít show their car but drives it.

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