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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-04-2018, 09:31 AM Thread Starter
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Remote Short-Throw Shifter

That was the subject of my first ever thread here at VMF. After having lurked for a few years (and with no intention of becoming a member) I couldn't find what I was looking for and so gave in and joined up to ask.

In the end what I came up with, the second version of it, works. I had thought up all sorts of Rube Goldberg type contraptions and discarded them. Then I went to Dr. Seuss ideas which wouldn't have worked either. Oh well.

It was a simple solution after all. Just get a second shifter entirely, cut the ball and part of the arm off it up inside, remove both the adjustment/stop screws, and fasten it to the center hump directly behind and in line with the shift base poking up forward. Then connect the two together with Aluminum arms, spring washers, and nylocs. So simple a cave man could do it.

This necessitated a console to cover the ugly thing up so that was a later project.

Doe it work? Heck yes it does. Snick, snick, quick. Haven't missed a shift yet. The biggest concern I'd had was vibration, which turned out to be negligible to the point of you don't notice any.

The shifter knob falls to hand, the action is direct forward/back instead of reaching somewhat up and down, a true short throw.
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That’s an interesting design but is it truly a short throw shifter? They appear to be 2 stock shifters with stock pick up points and not aftermarket short throws with altered geometry. Or did you modify the geometry of the mounting points of the linkage somehow to alter the throw on the forward shifter? What length are the linkage bars?
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What did you use for bushings at the pivot points? That's something that tends to be a big long term concern even on OEM shift linkages. If no provision then I foresee the holes on the aluminum going oval shaped before too long. I think I would prefer some radial bearings in the aluminum there myself. Though you could just use ball and socket rods. They are pretty simple to implement. I had my doubts but sprung for a whole set of ball and socket rods for my Rube Goldbergian VW MK1 shift linkage of terrible reputation and it's held well for years. Stuff like this.
You can go total overkill and use bearing type rod ends but I've got ten years of daily driving on the rods I put in so I know they hold up better than expected. Just a tiny dab of good old Ford black moly grease when I put them in and untouched since.

And of course if you did some nylon or oilite bushings or whatever and it ain't broke...
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Thatís an interesting design but is it truly a short throw shifter?
Yes. It's a M-7003-Z so it came with it. It just pokes up in a less than optimum location in our old mustangs by virtue of the fulcrum point. That's what needs to be moved back to get full benefit of it both reach and throw-wise. The holes in the aluminum arms on mine are at 10.5" o.c., but most would likely be thrilled with just 6-8" (An old football injury cost me some reach in my right arm). I always liked those euro style shifters by ZF or Getrag (or whomever) you find in Porsches/BMW M cars for example. Mine is somewhat similar to those now, and it's a true pleasure shifting with it.

Of all the mods I did on my build this was the single most "fun-to-drive" dynamic improvement.

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What did you use for bushings at the pivot points?
The first version I made I put nylon sleeves in. Made the whole feel too "spongy" so I went to 1/4" thick aluminum bars and no bushings. With two on each end to spread wear load, so far so good.
It will be interesting to see how long it goes before I can detect any looseness in it.

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Well, you got me on how long it will be before it becomes an issue for you. I'm guessing that if you are a "gentle" driver and the car only gets out a couple times a month it could be years. But if you drive like Kelly H then I'd estimate months. Since you know to watch it for it and are well capable of sorting it out, it's not a big concern.
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You have 2 wear surfaces, the hole I.D in fore/aft motions, and the washer "thrust" surfaces in lateral motions. On my race car I put large, thin Teflon washers under the standard washers to reduce or eliminate wear. As for the hole I.D. , you could bush it with a plain Oilite or similar Bronze bushing with a light press fit. You could even use a bronze flanged bushing with a thrust washer on the other side in place of the Teflon washers.
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Well, you got me on how long it will be before it becomes an issue for you. I'm guessing that if you are a "gentle" driver and the car only gets out a couple times a month it could be years. But if you drive like Kelly H then I'd estimate months. Since you know to watch it for it and are well capable of sorting it out, it's not a big concern.
It's been about seven months now and I drive it all the time. I haven't had to tighten or adjust it at all. It is slick and I think the best idea for the car I had.

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Okay, this is cool.
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Mustangs plus used to sell something like this several years ago.
I don't believe they sell it anymore. At least one guy here on the forum has the mustangs plus setup.
Never heard anything negative about it. I believe they had rod ends or some sort of spherical bearing at the connection points.
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Mustangs plus used to sell something like this several years ago.
I don't believe they sell it anymore. At least one guy here on the forum has the mustangs plus setup.
Never heard anything negative about it. I believe they had rod ends or some sort of spherical bearing at the connection points.
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I looked at those early on and thought them flimsy looking and really didn't like that high connection point on the remote. If you try to cover that connection up to hide it (can you?) it would look doofy. If you don't cover it, even doofier. I also didn't like the tiny base on the thing. It was not substantial enough imo. They stopped making them years ago now and I can imagine why. You see them used pop up for sale from time to time. People trying to get rid of them and get something back I guess. If someone has one and likes it, good.
A great idea in theory but it failed in the marketplace.

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