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Rebuilding and re-plating a 2100 / 4100 at home isn’t very hard to do and the results are well worth it.


Ivy green, very sharp looking. What did you use for the plating? Did you plate the body as well as the gold parts?

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Yep! Check out post 9 above, . I have these on my eBay watch list. It is a 1.12. Hopefully with the addition of your sleeves, I'm good with the boosters I noted above.

The carb rebuild will probably be a summer thing, I have too many little projects to get ready for spring already. I’ll also need an intake obviously, likely Weiand.


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If that 1.12 carb happens to be on a small block, i have sleeves for the primaries that will improve throttle response.

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Ivy green, very sharp looking. What did you use for the plating? Did you plate the body as well as the gold parts?
I documented it in this post.

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If that 1.12 carb happens to be on a small block, i have sleeves for the primaries that will improve throttle response.
I have a Pony spread bore carb from Pony carbs, it came with the front bores sleeved like Daze’s sleeves. Went from 1.12 down to 1”. Great throttle response.
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Would love to see an autolite carb / booster decoder (BA, KA, etc).

Someone posted this sometime back, not sure where it’s from:


I’ll check to see what my boosters are...
The listing you posted is basically the info out of the Ford shop manual.

AFA the boosters are concerned, we've covered this a few times on the VMF.
There really isn't a comprehensive listing of 4100 boosters. The only chart I
know of that lists some of them is really pretty much small block only and it's
in Bob Mannel's book. (Home)
As to flow and the other minute details of boosters, I don't know that anyone
has done any research. I do know that the carbs themselves are flowed
differently than a Holley carb, hence the cfm numbers are vastly different.
(another conversation we've had on the VMF when folks start touting the
oft-quoted BS of the 1.12 flowing 600 cfm, etc.)

The subject itself of the 4100 carbs is quite massive and has lots of details.
For instance, there are about four distinct 1.12 cores, including the specific
1.12 hipo 4100. There's a 1.19 Mercury carb, there are 1.08's and other
sizes as well.
You would have to take these carbs apart (in original untouched condition)
and make notes of which parts came stock on which casting numbers.
I'm not sure in 2019 we'd be able to do that. That's why there aren't any
comprehensive lists of booster venturis.

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Yep! Check out post 9 above,
Somehow I missed that. Looks like I need to pay better attention. If you decide to get a set of inserts they are a couple bucks cheeper on my website compared to the eBay price. I make so little profit on all the parts I sell, that I have to list them on eBay for more than they cost on my web in order to cover eBay's fees.
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Ha! Cool, thanks for the heads up. I’ll pick up a set when the time comes. I’m looking forward to rebuilding this carb. It looks to be complete, just needs a refresh. I rebuilt my 2bbl a few years ago and enjoyed it. Like Legos for big kids!

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Somehow I missed that. Looks like I need to pay better attention. If you decide to get a set of inserts they are a couple bucks cheeper on my website compared to the eBay price. I make so little profit on all the parts I sell, that I have to list them on eBay for more than they cost on my web in order to cover eBay's fees.

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Legos for big kids!
I like that

I spent the afternoon doing my own "lego" project.
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Yep, that’s what my search of VMF and google has yielded, no real comprehensive listing of 4100 boosters. Another 1960s mystery! Thanks for the link to the book.

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The listing you posted is basically the info out of the Ford shop manual.

AFA the boosters are concerned, we've covered this a few times on the VMF.
There really isn't a comprehensive listing of 4100 boosters. The only chart I
know of that lists some of them is really pretty much small block only and it's
in Bob Mannel's book. (Home)
As to flow and the other minute details of boosters, I don't know that anyone
has done any research. I do know that the carbs themselves are flowed
differently than a Holley carb, hence the cfm numbers are vastly different.
(another conversation we've had on the VMF when folks start touting the
oft-quoted BS of the 1.12 flowing 600 cfm, etc.)

The subject itself of the 4100 carbs is quite massive and has lots of details.
For instance, there are about four distinct 1.12 cores, including the specific
1.12 hipo 4100. There's a 1.19 Mercury carb, there are 1.08's and other
sizes as well.
You would have to take these carbs apart (in original untouched condition)
and make notes of which parts came stock on which casting numbers.
I'm not sure in 2019 we'd be able to do that. That's why there aren't any
comprehensive lists of booster venturis.

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I had a vacuum leak and pulled mine off to find it, no idea where, so I put a new kit in the carb and new base and spacer gaskets. Gonna put new chrome valve covers on while I have the choke tubes and everything else loose. Will button it back up and apply fuel and spark later today to see if I solved the leak without creating a new one. Ugh.

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Nice. A ‘metal’ health day!

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I like that

I spent the afternoon doing my own "lego" project.

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I like that

I spent the afternoon doing my own "lego" project.
Looks like a T-5. I have one read6 for a rebuild too. What parts kit are you using? What parts other than the basics di you ave to replace? I ve watche d a cou0le great videos, it looks pretty straight forward, just expensive if 5he gears or sliders are worn out.

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I had a vacuum leak and pulled mine off to find it, no idea where, so I put a new kit in the carb and new base and spacer gaskets. Gonna put new chrome valve covers on while I have the choke tubes and everything else loose. Will button it back up and apply fuel and spark later today to see if I solved the leak without creating a new one. Ugh.
Make sure you put the top plate gasket on correctly (it can be flipped over) or else the secondary diaphragm vacuum passages will not be sealed properly and be a leak you will never find... unless you take it back apart. Ask me how I know.

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Looks like a T-5. I have one read6 for a rebuild too. What parts kit are you using? What parts other than the basics di you ave to replace? I ve watche d a cou0le great videos, it looks pretty straight forward, just expensive if 5he gears or sliders are worn out.
I rebuilt this T5 about 10 years ago but only put about 1000 miles on it since then. It is perfect inside, bearings, blocker rings, gears and so on. when I rebuilt it the first time I replaced everything except 5th gear, the counter gear, and the input shaft. I am now upgrading it to a Z-spec so all the gears will be replace, and the only original parts will be 5th gear.

There are three fantastic videos that I have:

Hanalon

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Eric the car guy

between the three there are so many good tips and tricks.

I bought a bearing kit of eBay for this upgrade for only $80.00 If you do your make sure you get a steel counter gear stabilizer it allows you to preload the countergear bearings and will make the T5 much stronger.

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I rebuilt this T5 about 10 years ago but only put about 1000 miles on it since then. It is perfect inside, bearings, blocker rings, gears and so on. when I rebuilt it the first time I replaced everything except 5th gear, the counter gear, and the input shaft. I am now upgrading it to a Z-spec so all the gears will be replace, and the only original parts will be 5th gear.

There are three fantastic videos that I have:

Hanalon

Bad shoe

Eric the car guy

between the three there are so many good tips and tricks.

I bought a bearing kit of eBay for this upgrade for only $80.00 If you do your make sure you get a steel counter gear stabilizer it allows you to preload the countergear bearings and will make the T5 much stronger.
Sounds good. If you have any good parts left over after the upgrade, let me know I may need some!

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