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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 03-09-2019, 09:18 AM Thread Starter
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Engine Install Question

I'm ready to put my engine & transmission back in my 70 fastback. I removed them separately but it was a pain as the car is only about 18' off the ground. My question is, has anyone put the engine with the transmission attached ? This is a 351 Cleveland with an FMX tranny !
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I installed a 351 Cleveland and TKO-600 while bolted together into my '70 Mach 1. The trick is to get the rear of the car raised as high as you can get it. Use big, beefy jack stands under the rear axle. I would also recommend chocking the front wheels as an extra precaution.

You will need a couple of friends to help you guide the engine/trans assembly into the car. Put some old blankets around the engine compartment to protect the paint. Use a floor jack to lift the transmission and trans cross member into place.

I took my time and had the engine/trans into the car in under 20 minutes. I had a little difficulty getting the engine mount bolts in, but I think that was related to the modern engine mounts not being exactly like the factory engine mounts.

I learned how to do this by watching a video posted by VMF member BuckeyeDemon. You can likely search and find his video.

EDIT: Hey, I just found the videos:



By the way, since you have a '70 fastback as I do, I highly recommend you check out BuckeyeDemon's 69 Mach 1 build thread on the 69-stang forum. I learned a lot from that thread while building my car. Buckeye is a humble guy, but man, his build threads are amazing.

Have fun!

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Ford installed the engine and transmission fully assembled. Even the exhaust and trans crossmember were installed. Only the air cleaner was off.

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A lift plate with multiple holes to connect the chain to is a must. An adjustable is even better but not necessary.

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This is what I have and I really like it. Will be using it again for the new combo in the 65. Mac's PiVOT - Articulated Engine Lift Plate
Good luck and get a helper... Jim
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Equalizer bar. Uses the 4 corner intake manifold bolts to lift. The long bolt on the bar allows you to tilt the engine exactly where you need it.
Not sure where you're located, but if you're anywhere near me, my engine is in and the bar is available.
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Am i to understand that that is just bolted on to the carb studs ??
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post #8 of 19 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 08:43 PM
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Correct. At least that is what I did with my install.

Pivot worked great and made the engine/trans combo much easier to install together.

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I was not comfortable using the carb for the engine and trans. I used 4 exhaust manifold bolts and a leveler to lift the engine and trans at the same time to install. It was a heck of a lot easier R&I the motor and trans than on my '11 CTS-V. Man that motor was tight in the engine bay!

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A carb plate is more than adequate for lifting the engine and trans. For extra strength, I used grade-8 bolts, but it's not necessary.

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When using a carb plate does it matter if the intake is aluminum or steel?
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I have used a load leveler to allow the engine/transmission combo to be tilted into place as it was done on the assembly line by Ford. Note the earlier suggestions about getting the rear of the car as high off the ground as you can with jack stands gives you the room needed to clear the transmission tailshaft. Note that the intake manifold is strong enough to lift the engine if you choose to go with the fixed plate method. (Mustang's Plus catalog (at pages 244-245) has an article where the intake and a a couple of liftplates were tested to failure and the reserve capacity is considerable).

As far as the load leveler method, having spare hands to guide the engine in and operate the engine hoist simplifies things immensely. Here is an example of a load leveler:
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Doesn't this question get asked every week?

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Doesn't this question get asked every week?
Maybe... A continuous stream of newbys who have yet to master the "Search" function come here to learn. We can either "humor" them by sharing what we have learned or ridicule them for their ignorance. I suppose the choice is yours.
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Maybe... A continuous stream of newbys who have yet to master the "Search" function come here to learn. We can either "humor" them by sharing what we have learned or ridicule them for their ignorance. I suppose the choice is yours.
I wasn't trying to ridicule anyone, just seems like this question has come up a lot lately.

And I do it with the engine, transmission, and drivers side header, plugs, and wires on

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