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May be it's time for AMD to step up. I know they are mainly GM and Mopar, but they do have a Ford license and sell some things under the Ford logo, unless they get their sheet metal off shore.
A factory in Taiwan called "TriPlus" is the primary supplier to AMD, and I believe has an ownership stake in AMD.

TriPlus tools and manufacturers a good bit of what AMD carries, but there is a ton of stuff that they do NOT make, which they acquire (as is the norm) from the myriad of other factories in Taiwan that make the stuff, and ship that to AMD as well...

This dynamic pretty much applies to all "brand name" U.S. metal distributors.

We import containers directly from TriPlus, for those specific items that we believe are "best available", using our best-quality-sourcing criteria..
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Sadly, nothing new about Ford scrapping tools. Most 69-up Mustang sheetmetal has been unavailable for years, mostly from Ford scrapping the tools.

And yeah, shipping the tools is theoretically possible, but cannot be done. IIRC, when the Taiwan makers got feedback about 65-66 parts not fitting well, they tried to bring in a clean Mustang body to trial fit parts. Couldn't do it. No matter what they tried, the government there considered it a "used car", import of which is prohibited.

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Sadly, nothing new about Ford scrapping tools. Most 69-up Mustang sheetmetal has been unavailable for years, mostly from Ford scrapping the tools.

And yeah, shipping the tools is theoretically possible, but cannot be done. IIRC, when the Taiwan makers got feedback about 65-66 parts not fitting well, they tried to bring in a clean Mustang body to trial fit parts. Couldn't do it. No matter what they tried, the government there considered it a "used car", import of which is prohibited.
There are plenty of original Mustang shells (and other makes/models) in Taiwan today...

The bugagoo is that they tried to import an entire car, complete.

I've been asked to find/acquire/ship a car to Taiwan in the past (71-73 fastback). Their only requirement was, "pull the driveline!". That made it kosher.

But tooling, that's a whole different enchilada. You can't do it.
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Surely a Taiwan plant would be willing to buy the tooling if Ford intends to recycle it for scrap, no?

On a related subject, is the current crop of Taiwan Mustang stampings of similar quality to sheetmetal produced from the original stampings?

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Rick - thanks for giving us the "heads up" on this situation, and also not gouging customers in the process. Are the prices online current, specifically item #16612-1? Let me know here or via PM. Thanks!



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Surely a Taiwan plant would be willing to buy the tooling if Ford intends to recycle it for scrap, no?
You've got two impossibilities there...

First off, Ford doesn't sell tooling. In order to use Ford tooling, you have to be a Licensee, and Ford ships you the tooling on loan.. When you're done or if you lose or cancel your license, Ford tells you where to ship it next, or permits you to destroy it.

Second, you cannot import tooling into Taiwan. Period. Most countries are like that. Even the U.S. I believe. It helps to protect your domestic industries and existing toolings.



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On a related subject, is the current crop of Taiwan Mustang stampings of similar quality to sheetmetal produced from the original stampings?
That's too broad/vague of a question to provide a good answer. All I can give you is a vague answer. The current "crop" is a myriad of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of toolings/stampings/assemblies, some of it really really old, some of it middle-ages, and some of it brand-spanking new.. Some of it replaced older/poorer toolings, and some of it was new items that never existed on the market.

IN GENERAL, the new stuff is really nice! But the differences and/or comparisons to original Ford can only be discovered in the details. And in some cases, original tooling stuff had its own issues (there was a run of original tooling fenders that were assembled so poorly, that our Golden Legion fenders fit better... That went on for over a year).

But some of the older stuff is also nice..

And then a lot of the older stuff is not near as nice as NOS or Original Tool.

It's an enormous grab-bag. You cannot "generalize" with sheet metal as a category, it's pointless.

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Rick - thanks for giving us the "heads up" on this situation, and also not gouging customers in the process. Are the prices online current, specifically item #16612-1? Let me know here or via PM. Thanks!
YES, all prices online are current and should be lasting...
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I realize that this is a kinda hot topic, but I'm leaving the office for the day, and I don't "internet" on my weekends..

So if I'm not responsive until Monday, now you know why..

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Depending on the country it is possible to import or export tooling. Most of the tooling (and tools) used in Mexican auto production for US brands come from the US. We could get injection molding tooling from Shenzhen no problem but getting the entire part from there was an order of magnitude cheaper with better availability and the same or better quality than here. Large scale tooling is specific to a particular brand or even model of a machine. Even if you could get Ford to license you the tooling you may have to buy the machines depending on what the tooling fit. Most tooling used these days are for contemporary parts where the tooling is made specifically for that purpose and not legacy tooling for EOL parts. Typically you buy the machine first based on your requirements then have the tooling developed for that machine and how your production line works. I'd bet the tooling will be scrapped.

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Wow! This is VERY educational. I am learning a lot here.

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Brookville Roadster is a company that builds steel Model A and 32 Fords. I don't know how you would inform them about this, But they might interested. They have been building cars for 30 years in the USA and you can't tell one of their cars from one of Fords their that good.
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Thank you for this heads up. As someone getting back into the Mustang game after a little bit of a hiatus, I've appreciated your company's quality service. It's looking more and more like I'll be doing a repaint soon, and the one panel that I'm concerned about on my car is the hood. Hopefully there's at least a year's supply of them!

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Hopefully there's at least a year's supply of them!
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Brookville Roadster is a company that builds steel Model A and 32 Fords. I don't know how you would inform them about this, But they might interested. They have been building cars for 30 years in the USA and you can't tell one of their cars from one of Fords their that good.
Maybe someone who is familiar with the company can shoot them an email with a link to this thread.

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