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No, the Carpenters do not have stamping machinery capable of handling these toolings. They outsource stampings as large as these. Daniel is aware of the situation, and I believe that he is likewise "flummoxed" regarding what can be done.

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Yep, drive carefully!! And I'm certain that there will be many folks who simply "stash away" some spares as insurance. It's not a bad idea, because as years go by, the value of those spares sitting on shelves in garages or stashed in closets or attics will likely increase.
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Does this affect Ford Tooling taillight panels too?
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Does this affect Ford Tooling taillight panels too?
Rick has 65/66 taillight panels at the bottom of the list of stuff he picked up. See post #1.



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Rick has 65/66 taillight panels at the bottom of the list of stuff he picked up. See post #1.
Thanks--my fault for reading too quickly.
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IN GENERAL, the new stuff is really nice! But the differences and/or comparisons to original Ford can only be discovered in the details. And in some cases, original tooling stuff had its own issues (there was a run of original tooling fenders that were assembled so poorly, that our Golden Legion fenders fit better... That went on for over a year).

It's an enormous grab-bag. You cannot "generalize" with sheet metal as a category, it's pointless.
I remember when those OT fenders were like that. Only way to use them was to drill out the welds and reassemble them. And yes, our answer was to use Golden Legion. The hours needed to use the OT fenders were just not worth it.

And I agree, you can't just say this or that sheetmetal maker is best, you have to go piece by piece. Even Ford was like that. I remember when the Nordan bumpers were better than Ford bumpers, and the repro 4-speed shift levers made the last of the Ford levers look like crap.

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well dang. I will probably need to have quite a bit of sheet metal replaced, but I am at least 2 years away from being able to buy it all and having a shop do the work (I don't have the tools & ability).

Hopefully there will still be sheet metal out there when it comes time to restore/restomod mine.
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Thanks for the heads-up Rick! As others have said, we really appreciate the transparency.

I've got a number of OT repro parts on Jane that all fit perfectly. I did notice, however, that the metal quality is not nearly as good as the OEM parts - while it is exactly the same thickness, I have dented both my OT repro hood and decklids with just my fingers in normal open/closed operation! And I'm not exactly the Hulk...

At any rate, since Jane seems to go through sheetmetal at an alarming rate in comparison to most vintage Mustangs (lol), it is good to have this info. I have stockpiled an OEM hood and decklid for my next replacements, if they ever have to happen (hopefully not). After that, I just hope that the other repros will be up to par by then. Or, you know, it would be nice if I just didn't have to replace panels ever again... wishful thinking

I have been very pleased with the replacement Taiwan sheetmetal so far, so hopefully that will just continue to improve and we will not be left wishing that someone could have saved the Ford toolings.


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I hate to say it but I'm a little late at getting on this info bus . . . .

Seems that the OEM tooling 66' RH fenders are all dried up from online vendors. What is the best alternative at this time should I not locate one? Mostly concerned about fit and finish (not concours build.) Still Golden Legion?

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well dang. I will probably need to have quite a bit of sheet metal replaced, but I am at least 2 years away from being able to buy it all and having a shop do the work (I don't have the tools & ability).

Hopefully there will still be sheet metal out there when it comes time to restore/restomod mine.
It won't be hopeless. This car is entirely repro exterior body panels, except for the hood and roof.


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You are correct, the RH is pretty much extinct, unless one randomly pops up on eBay from an individual.

And yes, IMHO, Golden Legion is the best overall fender in repro.

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I hate to say it but I'm a little late at getting on this info bus . . . .

Seems that the OEM tooling 66' RH fenders are all dried up from online vendors. What is the best alternative at this time should I not locate one? Mostly concerned about fit and finish (not concours build.) Still Golden Legion?
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Are all of the listed items in your initial post currently available? Specifically 65/66 front valance and stone guard. I’ll be in Ocala Saturday, but neither item appears on the online catalog.
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Are all of the listed items in your initial post currently available? Specifically 65/66 front valance and stone guard. Iíll be in Ocala Saturday, but neither item appears on the online catalog.
When our truck arrived there for the first load, they filled it with hoods... 64 1/2 and 65-66 hoods.. That was it.

I really can't know what the next trailer-load will be until they load it and bill it. But short term, no, we won't have anything here for you this Saturday.

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When our truck arrived there for the first load, they filled it with hoods...
Every time the bus arrives where I work, I get the same thing - it's full of hoods. (I work at a state prison). Sorry, I couldn't resist.



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Thank you Rick,

I was thinking I was just inept and unable to find the front valances on your website.
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Just placed order for hood for the 65. Timely that I got ready for new hood just as all this came out.

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