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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 04-12-2019, 05:56 PM Thread Starter
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Hood curvature question

I'm working on aligning the panels and have most things pretty well set. The thing that I don't quite know how to address is where the hood should line up with the fender extensions.

Right now the hood line matches pretty well with the fender, but is too flat once it reaches the extension. I've read some of the other forums that talk about the hood an fender not lining up but didn't see any pictures showing anything quite this bad. Its about the same on both sides. The fenders, hood, and extensions are all OEM, but not off the same car.

Has anyone else had similar issues and do I have to reshape the front of the hood to match the fender?
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Well, it looks like your headlight assembly got bumped or something and is angled down too much. I can even see a dent in the fender that would account for some of that downward angle. I think it would be easier to pull the fender/headlight assembly up a bit than pull the hood down. The hood might need a bit more arch in the front too but it is going to be difficult to work that front lip on the hood. I have seen a lot of photos of the 69-70 cars including some impressive cars that one or the other hood front corner is not lined up though.



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There's something very wrong with your fender. That area of the fender is extremely difficult to repair once its been damaged or bent.

I'd look for another fender.

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I am always amazed when I go to a car show and see an otherwise very nice Mustang with a misaligned hood-fender-headlight door junction. Why didn't the owner pay a little money to get that junction lined up properly?
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I'm working on aligning the panels and have most things pretty well set. The thing that I don't quite know how to address is where the hood should line up with the fender extensions.

Right now the hood line matches pretty well with the fender, but is too flat once it reaches the extension. I've read some of the other forums that talk about the hood an fender not lining up but didn't see any pictures showing anything quite this bad. Its about the same on both sides. The fenders, hood, and extensions are all OEM, but not off the same car.

Has anyone else had similar issues and do I have to reshape the front of the hood to match the fender?
I agree with the above, your hood is correct, but the fender extension is bent, and rather badly.

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@22GT, the fender itself or the extension (or headlight bucket)?
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@22GT, the fender itself or the extension (or headlight bucket)?

It's official name is headlight door.


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Whatever one calls it, your hood is correct, and although your fender has a tiny tweak at the corner, it is OK. However, the cast metal thingie around the headlight is badly bent. Oddly enough, they can often be straightened.

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Whatever one calls it, your hood is correct, and although your fender has a tiny tweak at the corner, it is OK. However, the cast metal thingie around the headlight is badly bent. Oddly enough, they can often be straightened.
Gotcha, not trying to nitpick, sorry. Just wanted to make sure as the previous comment mentioned the fender.

Since it is cast, any idea how I'd go about straightening it? It matches up with the fender pretty well everywhere else. So if I were to shim the bottom out or something to try and fix the angle I'd end up with a gap on the side right? Only other way I would think is to use a body filler to change the shape of it on top, but it seems like a lot of body filler to be adding and I'm not sure what that would do to the metal trim.
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The "pot metal" of the headlight assembly/fender extension can be worked if you are careful with the body hammer. I've had to tap on both my rear quarter extensions which are also pot metal to get the top and outside lines to the quarter panels lined up. One of mine also has a dent in it from something hitting it. I bumped it out from the inside using a small block of wood and got most of the dent out. Obviously, if you try to move parts of these things too much they are likely to crack.


I still think that you have a problem on the fender. It looks to me like it got dented in probably somewhere along where the side of the fender extension bolts to the face of the fender and/or the bottom which is what would put that small pull dent in at the top. I can also see where the outside/top line of the headlight assembly has slid down below the fender line. A bumper hit would push in the bottom and do something like that.


This is all speculation though since we don't have photos of the other pieces of your front end. Just looking at a small part of a bigger problem makes it hard to determine just exactly what is needed to fix it. Was the bumper dented in? Is the side of the fender bulged out a little more than normal? Are both fender extensions the same or is the problem with just this one? If the other one is ok you can compare the 2 as mirror images to try and determine just exactly what is out of proper alignment. Shimming the fender extension won't work because it will move it away from the fender so you then have a gap.


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As others have pointed out, there's some damage to your fender. Depending on how much work it'll take to fix it, it might be easier and/or cheaper to replace the fender. I have done a fender writeup on NPD's fenders in which I concluded they're great quality:

https://forums.vintage-mustang.com/v...w-writeup.html

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Getting good lines/gaps on a car is actually very time consuming and tedious, but it really makes your car stand out from the others. Often, you go to shows and see a car that looks great, but when you get closer, the gaps are all wonky.

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I have a 69 with the same problem on the passenger side, and since I have the problem I've noticed that it is on many 69s. Mine was that way from the factory (ask me how i know). I have yet to do a restoration but was looking at this problem the other day. Some of it is adjustment but to get it right I think its going to take some work to the fender. I bought all the Craig Hopkins videos while they were still available and he addressed the same "gaping" issue on a different car. As I recall this is what he did: on the fender where the top flange turns down next to the hood- he cut the front area several inches past the high spot, repositioned that area of the fender, and welded the flange back on. You don't want to mess with the hood, but the flange on the fender can be cut, welded and ground and still look good, and even if your job is less than perfect it can only be seen with the hood up.
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Thanks everyone for the input, its good to see that it is not an uncommon issue. I don't know that I feel comfortable working the pot metal and I really don't want to crack them. I've managed to tweak it some, and based on my budget I'll likely go with what I have and maybe try and to address it down the road sometime...

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Getting good lines/gaps on a car is actually very time consuming and tedious
I've definitely come to appreciate this for sure. As I've spend a lot of time working on this, I often wonder how many hours it took them to throw one of these together compared to what I have into it now...
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