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Add PS to my 65

Need some assist.

I want to add PS to my 65 289/C4/AC coupe. Im not interested in EPAS or Borgson.

Chocko has everything for the bottom end, but Im having a hard time figuring out what I need for the pump and bracket.

My car is an early Dearborn 65, 15 Aug build date.

My AC bracket is C5AA-2882-(C or G) cant tell which.

Since I have AC is there a specific PS bracket?

Do I need a 3 groove crank pulley?

Does the PS have an idler like the AC?

I asked on the Concourse forums but didnt get a lot of help.

Someone here must have a 65 with factory AC and PS.


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The bracket for my 289 with and the bracket for my other 289 without look the same to me...you will need the 3 groove pulley...power steering doesn't have an idler...your power steering pump us what will be specific, specifically the reservoir housing, it has to have the slanted neck to angle behind the AC compressor. I saw a donor bracket and pump on Atlanta area Craigslist just a couple days ago. They're out there ! Good luck !

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Choc should be able to help you out with all that. You really need PS? The last manual steer Mustang I drove was a 65 C code coupe. I couldn’t believe how easy it steered. Even low speed. There is a art to driving manual steering. Always have the car moving when parking. Even if it’s barely moving. It helps a lot. Next, whatcha your tire pressure. A properly inflated tires are much easier to steer!
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I like the feel of quick ratio manual steering, so all of my factory correct power steering stuff is in a box. I admit I have thought about adding it to my car after buying and driving a second 66 that has it. It is so smooth and effortless, it does have appeal from 1) getting older 2) had a shoulder surgery 15 years ago and may need another and 3) it options-up my car. I still like the manual in the meantime.

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The last manual steer Mustang I drove was a 65 C code coupe. I couldn’t believe how easy it steered. low
With a 19:1 box. 5+ turns lock to lock! Go from your daily driver to the manual 19:1 box and see how scary the first corner you take will be!

Dan did a nice job on my 16:1 box and PS stuff, but even with the quick arms I still want it quicker!

I believe the OP will also need a dual sheave water pump pulley on a 65 to go with the triple crank pulley.
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Doing some reading.

Is this a bigger job than I realize?

I will need a 3 groove crank pulley and 2 groove WP pulley.

Currently the 2nd crank pulley groove is for the AC. When I add PS, the AC belt moves to the 3rd pulley. How is that possible when the AC pulley and idler do not move?

Am I going to have to round up a bunch of spacers and longer bolts and start shimming all the brackets trying to get the belts to line up?

Its confusing.


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Ordered a 1965 Ford Products Engine Equipment Assembly Manual. Should be here on the 15th.

Once I figure out the engine side of it, I will buy the lower parts from Chocko.


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Nah the geometry of the pulley works. It's not just like adding another groove out front. Don't worry. It'll all come together.
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Need some assist.

I want to add PS to my 65 289/C4/AC coupe. Im not interested in EPAS or Borgson.

Chocko has everything for the bottom end, but Im having a hard time figuring out what I need for the pump and bracket.

My car is an early Dearborn 65, 15 Aug build date.

My AC bracket is C5AA-2882-(C or G) cant tell which.

Since I have AC is there a specific PS bracket?

Do I need a 3 groove crank pulley?

Does the PS have an idler like the AC?

I asked on the Concourse forums but didnt get a lot of help.

Someone here must have a 65 with factory AC and PS.
So indeed the answers are there.

Air cars had a slanted neck, big tube pump. The mounting bracket is a one piece steel. Pump pulley is AA.
The 67 version (C7AA aluminum cradle with flat steel support) will also bolt in perfectly on the 289 to bolt on the thin slanted neck pump.
3 groove crank
single groove water pump on 64-66-----67 was 2 groove water pump. Ford decided to eliminate the belt bounce to run belt over water pump pulley. This helped in overtightening the belt (pump bushing wear problem)
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Did early Dearborn cars have an Eaton pump? If so, when did Thompson pumps replace the Eaton?


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Im hoping this doesnt drag out all summer.

The bottom end is easy.

Its tracking down the engine side that is the challenge.

I would just forget about PS and try a roller idler, except no one has ever posted if its worth the difference of the $200 price tag.


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Im hoping this doesnt drag out all summer.

The bottom end is easy.

Its tracking down the engine side that is the challenge.

I would just forget about PS and try a roller idler, except no one has ever posted if its worth the difference of the $200 price tag.
Gee, I hope the help on VMF isn't pooping on your "party."

I've covered the merits of roller & solid bushing idler arms a few times on the forum.
You aren't going to get a ton of decreased steering effort going to an upgraded idler. You'll notice the
difference but it sure isn't like adding power steering. Most of the improvement on a 65/66 is in getting
rid of that asinine amount of rubber in that bushing..... the deflection of which adds a ton of play or
vagueness to the steering, particularly if you have shorter than stock sidewall tires.

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No poop here.

Its difficult to find the correct parts when attempting to keep it original-ish.


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Did early Dearborn cars have an Eaton pump? If so, when did Thompson pumps replace the Eaton?
The switch from the Eaton to the Thompson PS pump happened when Ford went from the 5 bolt to the 6 bolt 289 block. My 64.5 D Code Coupe had the Eaton Pump but no AC.

If you don't already have them you'll need a couple of crush nuts to mount the ram bracket to the frame.
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