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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 05-11-2019, 09:19 PM Thread Starter
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1967 Steering Columns?

I have a couple of questions about 67 steering columns. The car I am working on is a 1967 390 car with a build date of 7/12/1967. I see in an older thread talking about a car with a similar build date that a “short shaft” column is mentioned. What’s the difference in the short shaft column and the column that mates with the long shaft steering box if any? I have a 1967 column that is not original to the car but I am not sure which one it is. If the one I have is a short shaft column where would be a good source for a steering shaft? It’s not with the column.

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My car was a long shaft. That meant when I removed the steering column, the long shaft stayed with the steering box as it is integral to the box. I swapped in a late '67/68 short shaft column AND the matching short shaft gearbox. Now the main steering shaft is now integral (more or less) to the steering column instead.

A steering column lying around with no shaft in it will be the long shaft style and somewhere there is a matching steering box that has the shaft. I guess you could take the shaft out of a short shaft column but that would a very unusual thing to do unless you were actually in the middle of rebuilding the column itself. Meaning that in a junkyard parts pull type situation they (and everybody) would leave the shaft inside the short shaft column. As they would with every other steering column made after 1968.
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67 was a transision year. Eary 67’s used the 65/66 solid column steering box while midway Ford used a collapsible column with a rag joint.

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All 390's used the short shaft/rag joint version, from day 1. I don't have much Cougar experience, but have read that all Cougars including small blocks used the short shaft/rag joint version.
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Here are some pictures. P-5622 has the reference I was thinking of for all 390's and all Cougars. Note that this is referencing the clamp and seal associated with the short shaft, and is not inferring that all get the tilt wheel column.

What you are looking for is a C7ZZ-3524-B for a 1967 Mustang, 390 with fixed column.

These are from the 1968 MPC, which is what you would order over the counter at the Ford dealer back in the day.
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So if I’m understanding right the column itself is the same, but just the shaft is different that goes in the column, right?

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No. Completely and utterly different design. Plus there are "tilt away" columns which are a completely different variation of the short shaft columns.
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If you have a rag joint you have a short shaft. Rag joint connects steering box to steering column. Its about 4 inches from steering box.

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If I understand the question, for 1967, there were two possible steering shaft designs, short shaft box and long shaft (AKA "Spear-o-Matic") box.

Short shaft means that the shaft connecting the steering box to the steering wheel is not integral with the box, rather it is connected with a "rag joint" at the steering box. When removing the steering column on a short shaft box equipped car, the column/shaft can be pulled out from inside the car. Typically the tilt-away column and 390 equipped cars had the rag joint in '67.

The long shaft box (similar to '65-'66) has an integral single piece shaft that does not detach from the steering box making removal from the car more involved as the long shaft box must be removed from beneath the car.

The collapsible column shaft (with rag joint) was a safety requirement for 1968 year model cars. While I have seen posts here indicating some late production '67 cars came equipped with collapsible columns, I have not seen any documentation that confirms the practice. Several reasons for my skepticism include the diameter of the collapsible portion of the '68 column required more clearance than the '67 brake pedals allows; the '68 turn signal switch connector at the base of the collapsible column is a different configuration than the '67 connector requiring a modification for the '67 main under dash electrical harness to fit the '68 plug; and the tilt away feature is significantly different between the '67 and '68 models years. Seems like too many changes required for the column substitution on the assembly line to make sense.

On he other hand, Ford has been known to make changes that do not make sense so if you have evidence of the late '67 production substitution, please share.

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FWIW: My 7/66 build San Jose 390 has short shaft/rag joint steering column.

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As already mentioned, all 67 390s, had a short shaft, non collapsible column. From Daisy's early date, to my 8/67 390.
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FWIW: I understand there was ANOTHER change in that timespan. The '67 got the short shaft/rag joint column, but it wasn't until '68 (my coupe) that they actually used an outer column that had those holes, reliefs if you will, cut into it to help it actually collapse in an accident, as opposed to the '67 that had a solid outer column. Now, yours is a LATE '67, so only you could tell us which you had. I'm looking to get rid of my '68 column, because I'd like a tilt of some sort, Ididit, or Flaming, etc... someday soon maybe because I'll be all up in my dash already, removing pedals to convert my auto to manual.
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There is a good article on the net of grafting a 68-69 collapsible column to a 67 head. I'm doing just that. The column tubes are the same diameter but the collapsible portion may require a 68 brake pedal. If u use the 67 head you can retain the 67 signal switch you have to remove the connector by using a special pin tool or cutting carefully the connector off. Mustang suppliers sell just the connector. At least NPD does.

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Oh and my build date is early August 67. Solid column in a 289-2v c code. NJ assembled car

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Here is the link

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...teering-column

You might need a 68 pedal. I forgot I got powerbrakes and they give u the 68 pedal for power.

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