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1966 Factory GT fastback on ebay??

I was browsing ebay today and happened upon this ad...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192962482155?ul_noapp=true

I Noticed that the master cylinder didn't seem right and the fog lamp switch looked a bit off so just for curiosity sake I asked for pics of the dual exhaust reinforcement plates underneath the rear seat. Seller did send pics with response:
"Please keep in mind that the floors have not been detailed in many years. There is some old carpet there now, I pulled it up to show the plates. As you can see the plates are correct and original to the car as it is a Factory GT 65. You can also see the original Ford red oxide on the original floors. "

I have attached the pics. So, is this a factory GT? Wouldn't want anyone to be misled...
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Correction: 1965 Fastback GT
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The Reinforcement Plates look correct, But the Dual Exhaust Brackets are not correct... What is the original color of the car..??!??

Looks like the inside Floors of the car are painted Red Oxide..which is not correct for inside the car....only underneath.. The inside floors would have been painted the Original Body color of the car. It looks like your floors weer repainted Red Oxide at some point.



Here is how it "should" look... Note the correct Dual Exhaust Bolt brackets... Sorry, but All I have is a '65 Convertible example...but Fastback and Coupe would have been same..when talking about the Lower Rear seat area (GT Exhaust setup).. You can even stick a flashlight and see inside the factory assemblyline hole to see if the tubes are there....You'll have to get under the car. No Crush tubes present...No GT..... It's that simple.


The GT Reinforcement plates have been available for quite sometime...so you can "Fake" a GT in this area... One are which is very hard to "Fake" a GT is the Rear Frame Rails... '65-'66 GT's had "Crush Tube" Reinforcements inside the rear frame rails that Non-GT cars did not have. Check the inside of your Rear Frame rails and You'll have your answer whether your car is a REAL GT or not. See 2nd Photo of cut framerails from a REAL '65-'66 GT car.. I you find the Crush tubes inside the framerails...Then you have a REAL GT.

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Couple of points. Agree with everything Tony has commented on.
I see no spot welds where the reinforcement plates would have been welded in by the factory.
There is no seam sealer at the bottom edges of the reinforcement plates as the factory would have applied.
If it's a 1966, and seat belts were standard, I do not see the seat belt mounting bracket through the hole in the reinforcement plates,

Just a few observations.

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Another sure way to tell a 65GT is the cutout in the dash under the instrument bezel for the speedometer

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I zoomed pretty well and think I can make out a spot weld maybe 2.
Not to dispute the other points but the seller(consignor/dealer I feel) could just be mistaken calling the paint red oxide primer, it could very well be the original red paint that always seems very dull under the carpet. I does look like those pans have been sprayed over though, 1 see 3 shades of red color and don't know what to think about the white atop the tunnel. If enough stuff spilled back there or whatever ruined the sound deadening may have made surface rust so they cleaned it and shot some primer over the cleaned metal.
No sound deadening is iffy but if they took the time to fake the reinforcements why use a piece of shag there.
I wouldn't discount it on that alone, it looks to have an aged patina back to when people didnt got to ALL the effort to fake a GT and i don't think those panels were even available 20 years ago.

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All good observations. I simply found the lack of dual exhaust hanger brackets quite concerning. The bolts look incorrect and too new. Also, the ad seems to really be pushing the "Factory GT" aspect...
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What about the bracket for the brake line; does it look like a factory spot weld? And
the pinion snubber should have a different shape than non GT
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"Another sure way to tell a 65GT is the cutout in the dash under the instrument bezel for the speedometer "

No, That's NOT True.

Any cars with "Pony Interiors" got the "5 Dial Cluster"....and they DID NOT HAVE TO BE GT cars.

There were Plenty of '65 cars with Deluxe Pony Interiors that WERE NOT GT cars from the Factory.

Basically, In regular '65 Production cars, If you ordered a Deluxe Pony Interior, You got the upgraded 5-Dial Cluster. The car was not necessarily a GT car, but could have been.

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"Another sure way to tell a 65GT is the cutout in the dash under the instrument bezel for the speedometer "

No, That's NOT True.

Any cars with "Pony Interiors" got the "5 Dial Cluster"....and they DID NOT HAVE TO BE GT cars.

There were Plenty of '65 cars with Deluxe Pony Interiors that WERE NOT GT cars from the Factory.

Basically, In regular '65 Production cars, If you ordered a Deluxe Pony Interior, You got the upgraded 5-Dial Cluster. The car was not necessarily a GT car, but could have been.

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I knew that... had a brain fart. Thanks for clearing it up.

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All good observations. I simply found the lack of dual exhaust hanger brackets quite concerning. The bolts look incorrect and too new. Also, the ad seems to really be pushing the "Factory GT" aspect...
It would be terrible if someone wanted a GT and dismissed one for that. Or even the lack of seam sealer as mentioned above. This one isn't correct or far from perfect but appears honest. The seller not as honest though, another fresh paint and valve covers=restoration.


Sometime during exhaust work the OE type hanger was stripped or the stud broke and rather than waiting a week for the part(if it was even available then) they made due with a couple of bolts, the owner might not have even been told about it. Since the sound deadening material is gone it was obviously cleaned up back there, including the sealers that likely came off in chunks so they gave it s respray to hinder more rust. You can see the sealer shadow line across the base of the plate and continue up and over the trans hump.

I see them as nothing more than good reasons to knock the price down or how you can pay too much for one at an auction
With the flaws and Auto I say it might be 10K too much, but is a red FB so someone is figuring how to cash their 401K....

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Pics of the snubber plate appear to be correct for a factory GT. Looks like aftermarket exhaust hanger brackets. Moved over brake line placement also looks correct...
I'm leaning towards legit
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That is definitely a snubber plate for a dual exhaust car

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