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Which color is this?

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I have to replace my water pump and got an aluminum one. To match it with the engine I bought Ford dark blue. But it is the wrong color. Too dark. Can anybody identify the color I need?


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Here's an article on Ford Corporate blue engine paint.

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...d-engine-paint
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I can't swear the problem is the color- but thats exactly what mine looked like when I did water pump and timing cover. In my case the manufacturer of the paint (don't recall exactly which one) recommended using their primer- I chose to not do that- cause primer is primer- (right?) - the color was pretty close to yours- (too dark)- I used some scrap and bought their primer and sprayed it- then the dark blue- - and sure enough it did matter and the color was then correct.
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I can't swear the problem is the color- but thats exactly what mine looked like when I did water pump and timing cover. In my case the manufacturer of the paint (don't recall exactly which one) recommended using their primer- I chose to not do that- cause primer is primer- (right?) - the color was pretty close to yours- (too dark)- I used some scrap and bought their primer and sprayed it- then the dark blue- - and sure enough it did matter and the color was then correct.

I used VHT products (primer SP148, Ford dark blue SP125, and Clear coat SP145). 2 layers of primer, 3 layers of dark blue and 3 layers of clear coat... The primer has a grey color, a bit darker compared to the aluminum of the pump. I am just not sure if the PO used a different color to paint the engine. The Ford light blue is very bright. Is there something in between?



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Does anybody has experience how the Dupli-color Ford Blue (DE1601) looks like compared to VHT dark blue?


https://www.duplicolor.com/product/e...-with-ceramic/


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Looks like "Old Ford Blue" (Color of 1964 260 V8 Engines) if I had to take a guess...

Besides, The color that you painted your new Waterpump is also wrong too. Don't know what brand that you used....but toss it in the trash....It's way, way too Dark from the Original Ford Corporate Blue color which was on the darker side...but not that dark!

The best color match-up that you can find on Store shelves is the "Dupli-color Ford Corporate Blue" sold at any Autozone or Advance Discount AutoParts stores....so I'd head there if I were you.

Years ago you could buy Plasti-Kote....but its no longer available except on the internet now....Don't know why...

The "correct" Ford Corporate Blue colors are below....and are allowed to be a shade or two darker than what is pictured below because there was some factory variation, but no more.

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Pics below of an "Unrestored" Dearborn 1966 Hardtop 2600 mile virgin timecapsule car below.. The color is on the darker side a bit.... but even if you look at the aircleaner and the valve cover, The valve cover is a shade or two darker than the aircleaner.....Why? Because they were painted separately at different locations in the factory. The car is an excellent representation because it has two different shades of Ford Corporate Blue on it. A good medium is somewhere between the two....maybe no more than a shade lighter than the aircleaner and no darker than the Valve cover.

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Don't know what brand that you used....but toss it in the trash....It's way, way too Dark from the Original Ford Corporate Blue color which was on the darker side...but not that dark!

Hi Tony,


thanks for the pictures. I used VHT Ford dark blue SP125.

I found this one from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/PlastiKote-22.../dp/B000CP895Q


or the Dupli-color. Maybe I take my pump to the next auto parts store and compare the color.


If I paint it again, do I have to strip the paint before? This would be a big pain in the butt...


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Does anybody has experience how the Dupli-color Ford Blue (DE1601) looks like compared to VHT dark blue?
The 1601 blue looks more like the brighter blue Tony posted of the unrestored cars. According to MCA judges on this site and at Concours Mustang the color judged as the correct shade if you aren't using the PPG/Ditzler color is Plasticoat 224 or as a substitute Duplicolor 1606. I used 1601 at first on the air cleaner top and while I liked the color it was brighter than what was there originally. The 1606 is closer to the Ford flyer pic than the pics that were posted. I ended up using 1606 and will on the rest of it as well. I do like the shade of the 1601 though. It's closer to a grabber blue.

The MCA refers to it as "dark Ford blue" in the book excerpts I found online. https://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/...erience_id=215

This is what I ended up with. The 1601 was quite a bit brighter and glossier than the valve covers. That is original paint on the valve covers. The 1606 (as shown on the air cleaner in this pic) wasn't quite the shade of the covers but looked to be a closer match as to what was on the pic in the Ford flyer.

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I always use plasticote 224 on my 69. The nozzles are crap but the color matches the factory color.
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Yes, The Plastikote 224 is the best, but the distribution of it stinks in local stores now since VALSPAR bought out Plastikote.....so you have to buy it online. You will need at least 3 cans if you are painting a 289/302 engine and anothe 2 cars just for the stock aircleaner. Don't forget to pick up a couple cans of the Plastikote primer while you are there.

The Dupli-color 1606 is good too...and you can buy it just about anywhere.

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"anothe 2 cars"

Supposed to be "another 2 cans"

Sorry for the typo....lol..

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Well, You know that you've got the wrong color if it looks purple....lol....

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I just threw out two almost full cans of Plasticote 224 last week. Nozzles all jammed up even though I tipped them and sprayed until "clear" when I last used them. I soaked them, prodded with a pin, etc. I bought 2 new cans of Duplicolor 1606, but it's a shade or two darker than the Plasticote painted color I have already, so I can't really "touch up" without looking like crap.
So I'll buy some more 224 on the internet, anyone have ideas as to what can I do with the nozzles on the Plasticote to keep from bunging all up after I use it? Thanks in advance...

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