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How many teeth on a 66 289?

Getting a stroker kit and there is a choice of 2 different fly wheels. Wondering how many teeth are on a 66 289? Is the starter teeth different? Building a 302 roller but want to keep it looking original with a original style starter.
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160 or 157 and they both use the same starter. You will want the 157 when using the small bell housing. 164 is the big bell housing
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As a side note, starters are fun. My 289 w/T5 needs a starter for an automatic, not 4 speed. I cannot recall the brand of scatter shield I have, but that must be the reason.

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Got the 164 on mine, the lakewood holds both sizes, problem is clearing the lakewood with headers
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As a side note, starters are fun. My 289 w/T5 needs a starter for an automatic, not 4 speed. I cannot recall the brand of scatter shield I have, but that must be the reason.
65-67 all were 157T. The 164 arrived in 68.
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just FYI...Different starter for automatic/manual trans. Long nose/short nose starters. Position of the ring gear on the flywheel/flex plate is different on 157t vs 164t too. Also the diameter of the base of the start where it mates to the engine plate is different between man and auto starters.
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65-67 all were 157T. The 164 arrived in 68.
So are the starters different? Just curious.
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just FYI...Different starter for automatic/manual trans.
This statement by itself creates a misconception. The difference is between 157t and 164t and that is how is how it should be phrased to avoid confusion. At a certain point in time the 157t was used exclusively as a flexplate and the 164t was used as a flywheel. But before that was true- some pretty relevant years on this forum- manual and automatic starters interchange.
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Like always good info here. Going to get the 157 tooth. Here's the link to the kit. Seems like a good deal because they balance it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-347-ST...oAAOSwwf5ZxDtx
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160 or 157 and they both use the same starter. You will want the 157 when using the small bell housing. 164 is the big bell housing
Ok to be more exact I have a c4 trans. Will be hooked to a 302 block. I would assume that's a small bell housing?
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Ok to be more exact I have a c4 trans. Will be hooked to a 302 block. I would assume that's a small bell housing?
Yep, should have the small bell and would be stock with a 160 or 157 tooth flexplate. Ford originally used the 160 then switched to the 157. both used the same starter and bell housing. Just make sure it is the small bell as the c-4 also used a big bell.
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This is a good read to help determine small vs big bell
https://forums.vintage-mustang.com/v...flexplate.html
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So are the starters different? Just curious.
Yes, the 68-up Manual trans Mustang requires a different starter because of the 164T wheel.

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Got this figured out my peeps! I have a 289 hooked to a small bell c4 auto trans. Building a 347 from a 97 302. Using the original style starter with the 157 tooth with the kit.
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Yes, the 68-up Manual trans Mustang requires a different starter because of the 164T wheel.
The 164T came with both M/T and A/T, but the difference is the ring gear depth. 3/4" from mounting surface to ring gear on the 164T A/T, 157T M/T and 157T A/T, but the 164T M/T is 3/8". I had to figure this out the hard way...

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