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Will a 67 clutch pedal asm work in a 68?

Hi all,

I'm converting the auto in my 68 FB to a 4 speed and need the pedal assembly. I found this for sale for $150 which seems like a good deal. Put it in the blast cabinet, clean it up, paint it, roller bushings, etc.

I have noticed in pictures that the 68 clutch pedal DOES look different, but does that mean the 67 won't fit in a 68? Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
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I've never owned a '67 or '68 but there's something different about the '67 and '68 pedals that is related to the fact that the '68 had the collapsible steering column which is larger in diameter than the '67 column. The pedals on the '68 required a larger bend in them to fit around the collapsible column. So it sounds to me like '68 pedals will work in a '67 but '67 pedals won't work in a '68.
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Put in a diaphragm pressure plate, fully hemi-jointed Z-bar setup (see link), and remove that huge, heavy, ugly "assist" spring on the pedal, and you'll love the feel of the clutch.

https://opentrackerracing.com/produc...ts-all/clutch/
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Here's a '68 listed on ebay, it will show you the difference between the 67/68.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Ford-M...MAAOSwLfRbMTB2

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Interesting. The main difference I see is in the pedal arm shape. The 68 is straight with a sharp dog leg at the bottom. The 67 has a Z close to the pivot and a small dog leg. Could the pedal arm be modified with the help of a torch? Probably, but since the OP does not own it, best to look for the right one.

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It appears that the brake pedal is also different on the '67 vs '68
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It appears that the brake pedal is also different on the '67 vs '68
Yep, it's that big curve in the '68 brake pedal that clears the large diameter '68 collapsible column that I referenced earlier.
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Yep, OP needs to find a 68 part

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Appreciate the feedback guys! Sounds like this 67 assembly won't work... bummer. I really liked the price point at $150.

Yes I have seen the 68 assembies for sale on eBay but they're all $400-$500. Yikes. So I was hoping the 67 would work.

Do all the 68's have the 'collapsible' steering column? What is different about this compared to the 67?

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Do all the 68's have the 'collapsible' steering column? What is different about this compared to the 67?

Yes, the collapsible column was a federal requirement for the '68 year model. So were the side marker reflectors/lights.


The portion of the '68 column under the dash has what appears to be a "bellows". That is the part that collapses when the car is involved in a front end collision and the driver is thrown into the steering wheel.


Considering the huge price difference I'd buy the '67 assembly. Heating and bending the clutch pedal arm (if necessary) wouldn't cost me anything more than the price of a little acetylene and oxygen.
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^ Thanks for schooling me up on my steering column. I didn't know that about the 68 model year.

Yeah, the price difference is huge but only because the one in the pics above is so thrashed. The restored 67 assemblies cost as much as a 68 does.

I have no welding experience, nor do I have the equipment you describe. I guess I'm left with waiting this out till I can find a beat-up 68 assembly that I can restore. Ha.

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There's a home made tool that the FFCobra.com guys use to realign their brake and clutch pedals. It's called a "Pedal Bender" It's a small hand held device that attaches to the long part of the pedal and it has a screw that you tighten down and the pedal arm can be re aligned to what ever you need. No heat needed. They are usually on loan and they get passed around. Sign up on their list and it should get to you sooner or later. It only takes about 10 or 15 minutes to align the pedals. After you use it, send it to the next guy on the list.


https://www.ffcars.com/forums/17-fac...al-bender.html


Get in touch with Frank in post #8 in the above link. He is in Inland Empire. He will probably do it for you.

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I wanted a '68 collapsible column for my '67. So I got one. Despite being told it wouldn't fit I gave it a try anyway. And it fits. I did note that if you tried real hard you could force the brake pedal over enough to almost touch the "bellows" on the column. A little ding on the bellows sorted that out. Later I put bearings on my clutch/brake pedal shafts which removed enough wear slop that the ding probably is no longer necessary.

There's enough variation in these cars that I can't absolutely swear that you can make the same setup work as well for you but I can say it works great for me.

.... it wouldn't be the first time reality took theory and conjecture out behind the woodshed and gave them a good thrashing.
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There's a home made tool that the FFCobra.com guys use to realign their brake and clutch pedals. It's called a "Pedal Bender" It's a small hand held device that attaches to the long part of the pedal and it has a screw that you tighten down and the pedal arm can be re aligned to what ever you need. No heat needed. They are usually on loan and they get passed around. Sign up on their list and it should get to you sooner or later. It only takes about 10 or 15 minutes to align the pedals. After you use it, send it to the next guy on the list.


https://www.ffcars.com/forums/17-fac...al-bender.html


Get in touch with Frank in post #8 in the above link. He is in Inland Empire. He will probably do it for you.
Hi John - I did a FFR build in 2004. It was a Mark II. Had a great time with that project. Kept the car 10 years before selling it. Always wanted a 67 or 68 Fastback and after a couple years (literally) of looking, finally found one. I know Frank Messina well and have even been to his house. He helped me a ton with the wiring. I did use the pedal bender, so getting on the list would be a good idea. Good to see another FFR guy on here... also see that Dan Baab is here too and building a sweet Fastback!

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I wanted a '68 collapsible column for my '67. So I got one. Despite being told it wouldn't fit I gave it a try anyway. And it fits. I did note that if you tried real hard you could force the brake pedal over enough to almost touch the "bellows" on the column. A little ding on the bellows sorted that out. Later I put bearings on my clutch/brake pedal shafts which removed enough wear slop that the ding probably is no longer necessary.

There's enough variation in these cars that I can't absolutely swear that you can make the same setup work as well for you but I can say it works great for me.
So if I'm reading this correctly, it sounds like your saying the 67 assembly might fit. I plan on either Mustang Steve's or Drake's roller kit, plus new bearings, so that might give me the room I need. It's a tough call... hard to spend $150 on the idea that it 'might' fit. Ugh...

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It's just the brake pedal that's the problem right? If so use the brake pedal out of your automatic car and just cut the lower pad to the same size as the manual one.

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